Ohtanis translator fired for stealing

[JRX]

Also, how is gambling not legal in CA? If there was ever a group of politicians that could be bought off its them. Have they just not ponied up a big enough bribe errrrrrrr campaign contribution yet?

[gmarutiak]

Originally Posted by corockies

Pete Rose is now wondering why he never hired an interpreter.

I. Love. This. Post.

[onenineeightsix]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I think it likely has to do with the fact that no source exists claiming Ohtani was directly involved in betting.

Ohtani walked through the security line carrying his friends kilo and now the mindless want to pin him as a coke dealer. I imagine a judge when presented with the facts would in fact toss this, and probably should. Fortunately, like everything else in life, the details will emerge.

Unfortunately, it'll be squarely on Shohei and his freshly thrown-under-the-bus interpreter to prove Shohei himself didn't make bets he paid for. Good luck with that in court if it got there. If the bookie has any sense, which I imagine they do, any "records" are long gone.

[onenineeightsix]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Fixed.

I hypothesize it's because normal people want whales held to the same standard they're held to. "If I'd get in trouble for it, the whale should too."

100% correct. "We" hate seeing our own fallibility in others and want them to be punished for it. We're all guilty of something, don't want anyone to know, and want people to suffer to the fullest when their hidden guilts are exposed.

[hermanotarjeta]

All I know is that if Ohtani ever uses the “I don’t speak English well” excuse, then he is guilty.

[NickyCards]

Crazy that MLB isn't investigating it. Yet any other accusation they'd look into. You can't deal with illegal bookmakers.

[jjrpilot]

I do think most of BO falls into two camps every time a star falls from grace.

For instance, the collectors who have poured mountains of cash into Ohtani want him to be completely innocent as they don't want their investments to be "Wander Franco'ed."

Guys who haven't collected Ohtani, either bc they couldn't or were late to the party, want him to be guilty out of jealousy.

I personally don't collect Ohtani but know that if he is guilty it would be bad for baseball and I don't want that.

I will say that from the outside some of the statements given don't necessarily add up.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Fixed.

I hypothesize it's because normal people want whales held to the same standard they're held to. "If I'd get in trouble for it, the whale should too."

In other words, when the elite can scam hundreds of millions of dollars from the players in collusion, they should not be held up to the same accountabilities as those underneath them ? 85-87 MLB Collusion did occur but the owners and executives are freelancing into the HOF like it’s a joke, but some members enjoy the separation of accountability.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Stifle

In other words, when the elite can scam hundreds of millions of dollars from the players in collusion, they should not be held up to the same accountabilities as those underneath them ? 85-87 MLB Collusion did occur but the owners and executives are freelancing into the HOF like it’s a joke, but some members enjoy the separation of accountability.

Exactly the opposite.

[LCM1223]

Pete Rose watching from the sidelines

[JRX]

Seems like mlb broke the glass and brought out the juiced baseballs

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JRX

Seems like mlb broke the glass and brought out the juiced baseballs

Didn’t realize Jason Hayward was still in the league!

[bub838]

Originally Posted by onenineeightsix

Unfortunately, it'll be squarely on Shohei and his freshly thrown-under-the-bus interpreter to prove Shohei himself didn't make bets he paid for. Good luck with that in court if it got there. If the bookie has any sense, which I imagine they do, any "records" are long gone.

If the records are long gone, what exactly are the prosecutors going to use as evidence Ohtani made any bets? He's insulated on that allegation.

https://sports.yahoo.com/shohei-ohta...014454049.html

It’s also worth noting that using a wire “which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers” is explicitly listed in the U.S. criminal code as a violation that can result in a fine or imprisonment for up to two years, which might explain the about-face after Mizuhara said Ohtani himself sent the wire transfer.

First time offenders, two year max prison time. There will be zero appetite by anyone to go after these two.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

Love to see blatant racism around these parts. Not funny.

Anyway, I'm under the impression that Ohtani was trying to help his buddy Ippei out. Whether Ohtani realized covering Ippei's gambling debt was illegal or not, it's still illegal. He's likely going to get suspended. I don't believe the story that Ippei "stole" money from him at all.

Why would he be suspended?

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[Stifle]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Exactly the opposite.

Exactly ! We still have members who don’t understand that groups are formed to protect those at the top from being equally accountable. That is why the court system protected the elite from a criminal case but into a civil case. It was obvious the elite were owners were stealing hundreds of millions in fair negotiations from the players but the owners knew they could walk away at worst by having to pay it back. The owners still deny their actions and that is concerning. These owners have other businesses and what are the odds that it’s more than just the MLB ?

The laws have constantly been changed to protect the powerful.

[onenineeightsix]

Originally Posted by bub838

If the records are long gone, what exactly are the prosecutors going to use as evidence Ohtani made any bets? He's insulated on that allegation.

https://sports.yahoo.com/shohei-ohta...014454049.html



First time offenders, two year max prison time. There will be zero appetite by anyone to go after these two.

He paid off the bookie, no? The interpreter didn't.

[gmarutiak]

There's a playbook on how this is to be handled: Ohtani will retire to "spend more time with his family" then announce that he is going to the NBA. He will struggle in the D League for a season or two before coming back to MLB. Also, he will change his number to 45 when he comes back.

[gmarutiak]

Originally Posted by Neal

Why would he be suspended?

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For paying off a bookie in a state where gambling is illegal.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by onenineeightsix

Unfortunately, it'll be squarely on Shohei and his freshly thrown-under-the-bus interpreter to prove Shohei himself didn't make bets he paid for. Good luck with that in court if it got there. If the bookie has any sense, which I imagine they do, any "records" are long gone.

You would be a poor prosecutor.

You have two sources, one directly tied to Ohtani (so biased), and one that is not (bookie) claiming Ohtani didn't bet. Reasonable doubt established.

Your turn prosecutor. Go find those security camera logs/text messages/betting slips with Shos name

[bub838]

Originally Posted by onenineeightsix

He paid off the bookie, no? The interpreter didn't.

They're all saying the money was to cover Ippei's debts and all three are saying Ohtani never made any bets. (IF) there's no actual record of Ohtani making any bets and they all stick to their stories, what evidence is the prosecution going to use?

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by JRX

Also, how is gambling not legal in CA? If there was ever a group of politicians that could be bought off its them. Have they just not ponied up a big enough bribe errrrrrrr campaign contribution yet?

I do not follow California law, but there are a couple states where sports gambling remains illegal because the pols can't agree on who gets to do it. IOW, some pols want it to be legal only in Indian casinos, some pols want it to be part of the state lottery, and some pols want to allow outside books (MGM, FanDuel, etc) access to the state market.

California may be experiencing a similar debate which is holding everything up.

[rms13]

I don't understand how this guy has access to Ohtani"s bank accounts and how he could transfer $4.5 million without anyone noticing. If I get to wire $1000 from my bank account I have to jump through a bunch of hoops to confirm my identity. Definitely seems shady.

[onenineeightsix]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

You would be a poor prosecutor.

You have two sources, one directly tied to Ohtani (so biased), and one that is not (bookie) claiming Ohtani didn't bet. Reasonable doubt established.

Your turn prosecutor. Go find those security camera logs/text messages/betting slips with Shos name

We're taking the interpreter and the bookie as quality sources? Quality prosecutor could turn that around very quickly. They both have interest in protecting Shohei. The idea that the bookmaker isn't invested in protecting Shohei is crazy. He just got 4.5 million from him. The payment's left Shohei's accounts, and went into an illegal bookmakers'. That's the only thing that qualifies as evidence at all to this point.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

I do not follow California law, but there are a couple states where sports gambling remains illegal because the pols can't agree on who gets to do it. IOW, some pols want it to be legal only in Indian casinos, some pols want it to be part of the state lottery, and some pols want to allow outside books (MGM, FanDuel, etc) access to the state market.

California may be experiencing a similar debate which is holding everything up.

Sports betting was a ballot measure in the last election and it didn't pass.

[onenineeightsix]

Originally Posted by rms13

I don't understand how this guy has access to Ohtani"s bank accounts and how he could transfer $4.5 million without anyone noticing. If I get to wire $1000 from my bank account I have to jump through a bunch of hoops to confirm my identity. Definitely seems shady.

He didn't. The idea he stole money isn't true.