Patrick Mahomes Prices

[MyckKabongo]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

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Which brings me back to the actual thread topic. I'm well known to have Mahomes very high on the all-time list (somewhere between 2-4 depending on the day), but I absolutely hate how he's being made to play right now. Whether folks want to admit it or not, fans don't watch the NFL to see Mahomes and the Chiefs slog their way to another SB win every year. The average NFL fan tunes in to see greatness on display and Reid and the Chiefs have figuratively neutered Mahomes these past two years. I'm a fan of his style, but that's long gone now. Give me Josh Allen bruising his way down the field or Burrow slinging it 50 times, regardless of outcome. Mahomes is just boring to watch, and as you saw in the SB, quite confused when things aren't on-script anymore. I kind of get it. Their offense isn't stacked like it used to be, well, figure it out then, Veach. Next year could be a trainwreck if they don't make multiple, multiple moves. Free Mahomes!!

As you can see, I'm pretty over the "efficiency at all costs" movement in professional sports at the moment.

I don't disagree with this take. They talked a lot about bringing back the deep ball in camp and I do think they meant it. It all started to go south the instant Hollywood Brown got hurt. By week 3 it was apparent they didn't have a serviceable LT then by week 4 Rice went down. From then on it was a conservative style necessitated by personnel.

Rice and Worthy should make for a potent 1-2. Rice in particular looks like a guy that be a 1200+ #1 WR. I'd expect Brown back on a cheap deal. If healthy, that's a new legion of zoom. Got to fix the line too though and that's going to be tricky. Fans want a big name at LT like Alaric Jackson but I wouldn't be surprised if they go with a bargain bin guy like Jaylon Moore.

The other factor that could make for a more high flying offense is if Pat just decides to go full FU mode. It's also possible they do more goal line pass attempts to pump those passing TD stats (they 100% did this in 2022).

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Can you tell me who specifically wants to crown Mahomes the GOAT after 3?

There were talking heads ready to pit him there if they 3 peated. I guess that would have put him at 4. Regardless even at 4 he wouldnt be there

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[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Please don't compare him to Russell Wilson. We're over that.

I didn't...

Originally Posted by f2tornado

Mahomes is no Wilson, not even close

I offered a cautionary tale of what can happen when a player fails to live up to expectations. Wilson was priced to win another SB or two. It didn't happen, and worse, he fell off a performance cliff. I perceive Mahomes prices to have more trophies built in and based on ample chat in this forum, I'm not alone in that assessment. If KC just kind of grinds out, say, a 9-8 record over a few seasons and Mohomes doesn't bring back the 2022 type stats, do you think people will be paying current prices for his cards? I don't.

[boxbuster7]

Mahomes has already won 3 super bowls and played in 5

wilson appeared in one

come on now

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Mahomes has already won 3 super bowls and played in 5

wilson appeared in one

2, but who's counting....

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

2, but who's counting....

I misread google. that aside, Mahomes is still in his prime.

Anybody even thinking about comparing him to anybody other than brady needs to get a life

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I misread google. that aside, Mahomes is still in his prime.

Anybody even thinking about comparing him to anybody other than brady needs to get a life

the level of disrespect to montana is unfathomable. joe never lost a super bowl!

[blackbears86]

[QUOTE=blackandgold;19822704]To me this year if Mahomes wins Superbowl 3 times in a row you could pencil him in possibly being right behind Brady or close to it BUT after that drubbing in the Superbowl and his subpar season stats wise thats a big NO. I said this earlier in the season about his card values falling if he didnt win the Superbowl To me you playing a very dangerous game investing in him considering his team doesnt look to be getting any better losing Kelce and really not having any other playmakers on the team[/QUOTE]



I agree with you. The SB loss was a big setback for Patty.


I don't agree with the bolded.

Gray is no Kelce at TE, but a serviceable replacement.

Rashee Rice and Worthy seem like solid receivers, and the defense will still be solid next year.

They need another receiver, a left tackle and maybe a power back and they should be just fine.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I misread google. that aside, Mahomes is still in his prime.

Anybody even thinking about comparing him to anybody other than brady needs to get a life

Sorry, after this loss, I put him third.

He still has PLENTY of time/years left.

[jjrpilot]

Do the Chiefs need to get a new OC?

Discuss...

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

the level of disrespect to montana is unfathomable. joe never lost a super bowl!

I wasn't born yet when Joe Montana was playing

Brady-Mahomes is an easier comparison imo just because they had a few years of crossover and the game has changed a lot since the 1980s

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Anybody even thinking about comparing him to anybody other than brady needs to get a life

Just compare him to himself. His 2023-24 seasons were nice but nothing like his 2021-22 seasons. And if that team starts falling short of expectations, and every team will at some point, then there's ample room for depreciation in his card values. Only a fool thinks they can't drop. Aaron Rodgers is an easy 1st ballot HOF and his PSA 10 Chrome rookies were $4-6k a few years ago and can now be had for under $1k. Why? Because he was hyped and then got hurt followed by just starting to suck.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

Just compare him to himself. His 2023-24 seasons were nice but nothing like his 2021-22 seasons. And if that team starts falling short of expectations, and every team will at some point, then there's ample room for depreciation in his card values. Only a fool thinks they can't drop. Aaron Rodgers is an easy 1st ballot HOF and his PSA 10 Chrome rookies were $4-6k a few years ago and can now be had for under $1k. Why? Because he was hyped and then got hurt followed by just starting to suck.

Still made the super bowl in both and won one. That is what matters.

Aaron Rodgers is a lunatic. You either love him or hate him. Mahomes is about as liked as you can be as a professional athlete.

[KardsC1]

I have a few high end mahomes cards..I collect him because I enjoy watching him play..of course I am also hoping he ascends up the goat status and have my cards appreciate in value…but let’s just say he falls short..and is 2nd of all time..I think he will still sell very well…he will likely be the nfl player of the golden era of nfl…ratings continue to go up..nfl reaching global markets..chiefs continue to be sought after by tv for prime time slots…chiefs continue to dominate ratings..Al this bodes well for nostalgia and more fans..which organically translates to more collectors

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

I have a few high end mahomes cards..I collect him because I enjoy watching him play..of course I am also hoping he ascends up the goat status and have my cards appreciate in value…but let’s just say he falls short..and is 2nd of all time..I think he will still sell very well…he will likely be the nfl player of the golden era of nfl…ratings continue to go up..nfl reaching global markets..chiefs continue to be sought after by tv for prime time slots…chiefs continue to dominate ratings..Al this bodes well for nostalgia and more fans..which organically translates to more collectors

Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees with the combined unchecked physical play of their era will always be the golden era of the NFL.

Not this product.

Having said that, Mahomes cards will always sell well. He's already accomplished.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

If Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, CJ Stroud, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, and a few other AFC QBs ever get to the Super Bowl and have the game Mahomes just had, it'll be the greatest accomplishments of their career to this point.

Other than that, the best accomplishment among that group was losing to the QB who got blown out in the playoffs during your MVP year in the AFC Championship game (Allen and Lamar the last 2 seasons).

I'll cut Burrow some credit here, because his biggest achievement is beating Mahomes once in the AFC championship game before blowing a 7 point lead in the Super Bowl by going scoreless his last 5 drives and losing by 3

Never knew Burrow Allen Lamar and Stroud or whoever you said is all time greats. News flash, we're comparing him to Montana and Brady, if you want to talk about active players then I'm game but dont change the subject

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Still made the super bowl in both and won one. That is what matters.

Aaron Rodgers is a lunatic. You either love him or hate him. Mahomes is about as liked as you can be as a professional athlete.

liked by everyone? yeah I'm gonna press doubt on that lol

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

I have a few high end mahomes cards..I collect him because I enjoy watching him play..of course I am also hoping he ascends up the goat status and have my cards appreciate in value…but let’s just say he falls short..and is 2nd of all time..I think he will still sell very well…he will likely be the nfl player of the golden era of nfl…ratings continue to go up..nfl reaching global markets..chiefs continue to be sought after by tv for prime time slots…chiefs continue to dominate ratings..Al this bodes well for nostalgia and more fans..which organically translates to more collectors

Another "fall short" in the SB and youre 50% winrate on it. Yikes

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Delta5

liked by everyone? yeah I'm gonna press doubt on that lol

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[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

Just compare him to himself. His 2023-24 seasons were nice but nothing like his 2021-22 seasons. And if that team starts falling short of expectations, and every team will at some point, then there's ample room for depreciation in his card values. Only a fool thinks they can't drop. Aaron Rodgers is an easy 1st ballot HOF and his PSA 10 Chrome rookies were $4-6k a few years ago and can now be had for under $1k. Why? Because he was hyped and then got hurt followed by just starting to suck.

have you compared Rodgers stats with Mahomes for this season? they are very similar.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

have you compared Rodgers stats with Mahomes for this season? they are very similar.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I mean he's not wrong you know . You expect us dont see the pedestrian numbers Mahomes put up this season ?

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

have you compared Rodgers stats with Mahomes for this season? they are very similar.

Oh? How did Rodgers do in playoffs?

Aaron 2024 had basically the hottest best young WR besides Jefferson/Chase in Garrett Wilson and then also added a HOF WR Adams (and they didn't come close to making playoffs!).

Mahomes 2024 lost WR1 Rashee Rice after week 3, his WR2 Hollywood preseason surgery and never played until the very end. Pat was throwing to a rookie, grandpa Kelce, and jack and spit for 2024 (made SB). It was even worse in 2023 with rookie Rashee and MVS and assorted clowns catching passes (won SB).

Not really comparable, sir.

[codered]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Oh? How did Rodgers do in playoffs?

Aaron 2024 had basically the hottest best young WR besides Jefferson/Chase in Garrett Wilson and then also added a HOF WR Adams (and they didn't come close to making playoffs!).

Mahomes 2024 lost WR1 Rashee Rice after week 3, his WR2 Hollywood preseason surgery and never played until the very end. Pat was throwing to a rookie, grandpa Kelce, and jack and spit for 2024 (made SB). It was even worse in 2023 with rookie Rashee and MVS and assorted clowns catching passes (won SB).

Not really comparable, sir.

Rodgers was 40 coming off an Achilles injures which I presume was repaired with faith healing

Not really comparable, sir

Mahomes has been good but not great the last two years (definitely not goat great)

They won in 2023 being a good team that peaked at the right time. Nothing wrong with that, very well earned but they weren’t a juggernaut by any means.

This year they were a good team that got every bounce imaginable. Favourable calls (not their fault), favourable goal post bounces, idiot coaches that can’t manage the clock, miracle FG blocks and saved by a toe. Realistically they could/should have been the 2nd or 3rd seed if not for ridiculous luck.

They don’t look like a team that is starting or in the middle of a dynasty, rather a team that has squeezed out all of the juice from the fruit.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by codered

...They won in 2023 being a good team that peaked at the right time. Nothing wrong with that, very well earned but they weren’t a juggernaut by any means...

One of Brady's SB wins was that Seattle couldn't just hand off to one of the most dominant RBs of the day to get a goal line go-ahead TD.

I think SB are a terrible metric, but we use it. There is nearly always some luck and/or opponent error that goes into winning.

Chiefs tend to do a lot of winning. Mahomes has won a ton more than Rodgers ever did (and much more than Brady - so far, not yet overall).

If Mahomes gets some OL and WRs (Xavier improved all year... then add Rice if back healthy or FA or whatever), look out. The guy has already had better stats seasons than most HOF QBs ever did, and he's clearly still in his prime.

Originally Posted by codered

...They don’t look like a team that is starting or in the middle of a dynasty, rather a team that has squeezed out all of the juice from the fruit.

Oh, I see. Then why do you suppose KC is the favorite or top 3 odds to win 2025 season SB at nearly every sportsbook?

I would say that's Ried + Mahomes + results, but what do I know?

The Chief are washed up, right?
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