Has anyone seen an increase in strange communication during negotiations/transactions

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I'm here for the ohiolawyerf5 (never understood what the f5 meant) vs azzjubeez friday night boxing match

Nah. I’m done

It wasn’t even a fight

I feel bad for him honestly

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I'm here for the ohiolawyerf5 (never understood what the f5 meant) vs azzjubeez friday night boxing match

He doesn't have the balls....or the brains. All he can do is call people names and state a position with no supporting argument. The saddest part is he actually thinks he's successful.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

He doesn't have the balls....or the brains. All he can do is call people names and state a position with no supporting argument. The saddest part is he actually thinks he's successful.

He’s the worst

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

And asking a seller to eat a 3% fee after a deal is made when you didn't mention you were paying via paypal upfront is shady as well. State your terms on both sides from the start. It's shady to even suggest that's not how it should be done.

12 years, over 1,000 transactions and less than 20 times has the buyer covered my fee. As a seller, I’ll never ask or expect the buyer to cover my fee and I’ll continue to operate under the assumption the buyer is paying goods and I will add that fee onto my cost.

As a buyer, I will continue to pay goods at the agreed upon price like most people do. If a seller doesn’t like that, and doesn’t state the “net” price in their quote, then they can make the decision if a small 3% is worth losing a transaction over or not.

Can we at least agree that a $10 counter on a $1,000 offer (94% comps) is ridiculous?

[Scarlet Knight]

Originally Posted by Boostedwrx

Yea more and more people with their SGC and BGS cards trying to get PSA prices. That's what makes me think a person is stupid.

When it comes to vintage cards (pre-1980), I have no trouble getting the same price for SGC-graded cards as PSA cards.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

12 years, over 1,000 transactions and less than 20 times has the buyer covered my fee. As a seller, I’ll never ask or expect the buyer to cover my fee and I’ll continue to operate under the assumption the buyer is paying goods and I will add that fee onto my cost.

As a buyer, I will continue to pay goods at the agreed upon price like most people do. If a seller doesn’t like that, and doesn’t state the “net” price in their quote, then they can make the decision if a small 3% is worth losing a transaction over or not.

Can we at least agree that a $10 counter on a $1,000 offer (94% comps) is ridiculous?

So you never ask a buyer to pay the fees then are using the fact that buyers rarely pay your fees as evidence what the industry standard is? You don't see the flaw in your logic? Lots of sellers do ask that fees be covered. If you did, I promise your list of those who agree to cover the fees would be longer than 20.

Keep operating on assumptions. All I'm saying is that assumptions are bad for business on both sides. Never operate on assumptions. Make everything clear. That's good advice whether you want to admit it or not. Frankly, I'm shocked that has bren an offensive posituon to some. Less chance of one side leaving angry if everyone involved clearly states their intentions.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

So you never ask a buyer to pay the fees then areusing the fact that buyers rarely pay your fees as evidence what the industry standard is? You don't see the flaw in your logic? Lots of sellers do ask that fees be covered. If you did, I promise your list of those who agree to cover the fees would be longer than 20.

Keep operating on assumptions. All I'm saying is that assumptions are bad for business on both sides. Never operate on assumptions. Make everything clear. That's good advice whether you want to admit it or not. Less chance of one side leaving angry if everyone involved clearly states their intentions.

Nerd.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Nerd.

Your best argument yet. Well done.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

So you never ask a buyer to pay the fees then are using the fact that buyers rarely pay your fees as evidence what the industry standard is? You don't see the flaw in your logic? Lots of sellers do ask that fees be covered. If you did, I promise your list of those who agree to cover the fees would be longer than 20.

Keep operating on assumptions. All I'm saying is that assumptions are bad for business on both sides. Never operate on assumptions. Make everything clear. That's good advice whether you want to admit it or not. Frankly, I'm shocked that has bren an offensive posituon to some. Less chance of one side leaving angry if everyone involved clearly states their intentions.

I do think 98% if transactions as a seller has the buyer never telling me how they are paying and just do pay goods does speak to a standard, yes I do. And I’d be willing to bet you if you made a post with a poll asking what platform and method people use when buying a card, you’d be surprised how overwhelming the answer is

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Your best argument yet. Well done.

I know. I’m amazing

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

And asking a seller to eat a 3% fee after a deal is made when you didn't mention you were paying via paypal upfront is shady as well. State your terms on both sides from the start. It's shady to even suggest that's not how it should be done.

It’s shady to accept F&F

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

It’s shady to accept F&F

are you a narc?

[bub838]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Am I the only one that understands that it is against paypal policy to use FF for the exchange of goods? Or does everyone know that and just ignore it? Sometimes it's hard to tell.

Business accounts on PayPal can’t accept F&F payments and for everyone else PayPal *cares* but doesn’t really because they’re likely still collecting fees on you somewhere down the line. I’ve never seen anyone with a PP account that had only taken in F&F payments exclusively.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

It’s shady to accept F&F

I agree. If you think I would say otherwise, you have not paid any attention to what I've said.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I agree. If you think I would say otherwise, you have not paid any attention to what I've said.

If that’s what you think, why would you ever assume that’s an option?

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

And asking a seller to eat a 3% fee after a deal is made when you didn't mention you were paying via paypal upfront is shady as well. State your terms on both sides from the start. It's shady to even suggest that's not how it should be done.

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

If that’s what you think, why would you ever assume that’s an option?

He’s a whack job

That was easy

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by asujbl

He’s a whack job

That was easy

I’m torn, I would never do business with this guy but at the same time, if he’s going to pay for my fees and shipping (plus he’d probably pay for a handling fee if I asked for one) I may let bygones be bygones.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

If that’s what you think, why would you ever assume that’s an option?

When did I say it was an option? I listed about 8 payment methods and none of them were FF.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

I’m torn, I would never do business with this guy but at the same time, if he’s going to pay for my fees and shipping (plus he’d probably pay for a handling fee if I asked for one) I may let bygones be bygones.

The one guy in this thread who has done nothing but advocate being clear and open and communicating with the other side is the guy you wouldn't do business with? Says all I need to know about your ethics. Don't worry. I won't do business with you.

You have proven over and over you have no clue what I've been arguing.

[boxbuster7]

honestly I have no clue what anybody in this disgusting thread is saying

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

honestly I have no clue what anybody in this disgusting thread is saying

The whole thread was an old man yelling at clouds. I just gave it life by daring to question the echo chamber by suggesting both buyers and sellers should be open and clear with all details of a transaction. That ruffled some feathers of people with questionable ethics.

[jayjay0122]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

And asking a seller to eat a 3% fee after a deal is made when you didn't mention you were paying via paypal upfront is shady as well. State your terms on both sides from the start. It's shady to even suggest that's not how it should be done.

Or the seller should state that before anything is even discussed. They are called seller fees, not buyer fees. The seller is the one selling the item and should be upfront with everything to any potential buyers to avoid confusion. This has nothing to do with a buyer being shady. It has everything to do with a seller being clear on exactly what they want from the transaction before anything happens. It's really that simple.

[theshowandme]

“Net to me” is for poors that have cash flow problems

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by jayjay0122

Or the seller should state that before anything is even discussed. They are called seller fees, not buyer fees. The seller is the one selling the item and should be upfront with everything to any potential buyers to avoid confusion. This has nothing to do with a buyer being shady. It has everything to do with a seller being clear on exactly what they want from the transaction before anything happens. It's really that simple.

Everyone should be upfront with every term!

Why is this so hard for you people to grasp? Is buying and selling baseball cards the only experience you have in the real world? I negotiate contracts for the sale of goods daily. In every other area of business, all terms are spelled out during the negotiation. If you want a term, you either bring it up, or it's not included. Nothing is left to assumption or your interpretation of what the industry standard is. THAT is a stupid way to do business.

In every other arena, all terms are itemized and separated. You have the price of the goods, shipping method and price, tax, fees, etc... all spelled out individually. Why would sports cards be different?

If you are paying via paypal, say so. Simple as that. If you get to the end of the transaction and have not mentioned it, and bring it up then, the seller has every right to say they don't accept that form of payment, and either renegotiate or walk away.

That's how business is done. No matter how you insulated, basement-dwellers think it should be done.

I agree, and have said multiple times, that a seller should state methods of payment and fees upfront. That doesn't mean that if they aren't stated a buyer has no responsibility to bring it up. It's on both parties to get to the end of the transaction with all terms spelled out, not assumed. This whole thing was OP whining about getting to the end and not having both parties understand and agree to a term. That's on him as much as the seller.

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Am I the only one that understands that it is against paypal policy to use FF for the exchange of goods? Or does everyone know that and just ignore it? Sometimes it's hard to tell.

It's no different than going to card shows and sellers only accepting cash to avoid taxes but people still do it