2025 Pro Debut

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

I'm not seeing any notation on the most recent blurb from Topps, relevant to the MiLB Patch Card 1/1's that were initially noted in the product? Does anyone know; did they ixnay these...? I know that there were some sorta' mixed-sentiments toward these..."chases", but personally speaking, I was kinda' diggin' it.

Regardless, I'm on-the-fence with ordering the 10 boxes in my cart, but like several others noted; I too, am sick & tired of the interest-free loans, I/we are consistently giving to Craptastics!?

Those are still listed on the site description.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

Kind of missed my point, if it happens every time, and some times longer than expected, why are you surprised?

We're not surprised. No faith or trust should ever ever ever be put into Fanatics. Ever. That's why their model of loans is BS.

Ever.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by phil

Regular hobby boxes have had 4 autos the last few years (jumbo 3). It's been more about quality than quantity, expected number of chrome autos/parallels etc. which remains to be seen with everything consolidated into 1 format now.

Ah, interesting. I’ve only ever purchased PromDebut jumbo boxes/cases and didn’t remember why (assumed it was due to more autos per box, but it was probably due to more chrome cards or something).

Thanks for confirming though, collapsing into 1 hobby configuration makes it much easier haha. Without odds, I’ll just assume these are more like last year’s hobby boxes than jumbo boxes (content wise) with bigger potential chase cards.

[zolar]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

200 cases loaded.
5344 loose boxes loaded.

How do you find this out? Thanks for the info!

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

We're not surprised. No faith or trust should ever ever ever be put into Fanatics. Ever. That's why their model of loans is BS.

Ever.

This is not new information to anyone on these boards.

Your post sounded like you were dumbfounded.

[lemmer]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Ah, interesting. I’ve only ever purchased PromDebut jumbo boxes/cases and didn’t remember why (assumed it was due to more autos per box, but it was probably due to more chrome cards or something).

Thanks for confirming though, collapsing into 1 hobby configuration makes it much easier haha. Without odds, I’ll just assume these are more like last year’s hobby boxes than jumbo boxes (content wise) with bigger potential chase cards.

I guess I'm mildly concerned since I will get fewer base cards (both raw # and % of the box) than I would with a traditional hobby box, so I won't be able to get as close to completing base set with 2 boxes as I usually do. I imagine it won't be crazy short, plus the chromes are good trade fodder to complete the paper set.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

This is not new information to anyone on these boards.

Your post sounded like you were dumbfounded.

You know what, I still kind of am. You're not off here.

Is it too hard to simply have the product made and ready to ship at purchase? Instead of holding people's money until god knows when. Or, to simply have a checklist ready of what you're actually buying at the time of purchase?

[RainCityShecks]

Still in stock? Guess nobody wants it.

[cbeauch87]

Picked up two boxes to open. Best product of the year, every year.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

You know what, I still kind of am. You're not off here.

Is it too hard to simply have the product made and ready to ship at purchase? Instead of holding people's money until god knows when. Or, to simply have a checklist ready of what you're actually buying at the time of purchase?

I never said I disagreed. Paying in advance does suck. However, it’s not like they are hiding it, and this is how it was done well before Fanatics came along. So we shouldn’t be surprised by this.

[Chaysr20]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

You know what, I still kind of am. You're not off here.

Is it too hard to simply have the product made and ready to ship at purchase? Instead of holding people's money until god knows when. Or, to simply have a checklist ready of what you're actually buying at the time of purchase?

Preorders are nothing new. People preorder books, video games, phones, tickets, etc. so I'm not sure why there's a fuss with cards. The only thing that is really different here is that you don't know exactly what you're getting yet. That shouldn't be a thing, but we're beating a dead horse here. SSDD.

[tevans333]

Originally Posted by Chaysr20

Preorders are nothing new. People preorder books, video games, phones, tickets, etc. so I'm not sure why there's a fuss with cards. The only thing that is really different here is that you don't know exactly what you're getting yet. That shouldn't be a thing, but we're beating a dead horse here. SSDD.

With those types of preorders though, the pre order and release price are the same. With Fanatics, there is a discount for preordering, so it's not entirely fair to say it's an interest free loan. These were ~$110 a box at pre order and will most likely be ~$120 at release. So you're getting a $80 discount per case for paying a month in advance. Consider that your interest. (yes, some products have been longer than a month and that's unfortunate, but those are more the exception and not the rule).

[livfreely]

Was able to pick up a box for my son and I to rip. Great price IMHO


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[Ajax1723]

Be prepared for this to be delayed, Topps just pushed Update to Nov 12th. No chance they release both of these same day.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Ajax1723

Be prepared for this to be delayed, Topps just pushed Update to Nov 12th. No chance they release both of these same day.

So a longer loan.

[Ajax1723]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

So a longer loan.

Yea I ranted about this in the Topps release dates thread, if you're interested lol.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

We're not surprised. No faith or trust should ever ever ever be put into Fanatics. Ever. That's why their model of loans is BS.

Ever.

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

You know what, I still kind of am. You're not off here.

Is it too hard to simply have the product made and ready to ship at purchase? Instead of holding people's money until god knows when. Or, to simply have a checklist ready of what you're actually buying at the time of purchase?

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Another reason I balked at buying.

1 month loan to Fanatics? No thanks.

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

I wasn't necessarily complaining either.

I just can't output cash twice this month and then wait a month for product.

Originally Posted by tevans333

With those types of preorders though, the pre order and release price are the same. With Fanatics, there is a discount for preordering, so it's not entirely fair to say it's an interest free loan. These were ~$110 a box at pre order and will most likely be ~$120 at release. So you're getting a $80 discount per case for paying a month in advance. Consider that your interest. (yes, some products have been longer than a month and that's unfortunate, but those are more the exception and not the rule).

Have you guys ever tried Affirm? For $7/box interest, you don't finish paying until January 13th and no money collected for the first 30 days. This option is available at checkout. It's still cheaper than the release day pricing and you get to play with their money for 90 days.

I'm sure some will gripe that you shouldn't need to take a loan to pre-order a product but if the price with 90 days interest is still cheaper than the release day bump, and you get 90 days of breathing room, that's a great option if tying up personal funds is a concern.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

that's a great option if tying up personal funds is a concern.

Also, to each their own, if tying up personal funds is a concern perhaps you (generally speaking) shouldn't be opening boxes of sports cards!

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Also, to each their own, if tying up personal funds is a concern perhaps you (generally speaking) shouldn't be opening boxes of sports cards!

Agreed, though I'm sure for many it's more about the principle of "lending money to Topps" than actually worrying about not having the cash. In either case, the option to defer payment does exist if they truly want to avoid tying up money.

I use it for business purposes. I can pre-order whatever I want and then turn that money over numerous times. Give me $110 today and I promise I can find a way to make more than $7 over the 90 days it will cost me to borrow it.

[eastbayak]

Loose boxes OOS, that was faster than expected. Should’ve probably added 10 loose boxes

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Agreed, though I'm sure for many it's more about the principle of "lending money to Topps" than actually worrying about not having the cash. In either case, the option to defer payment does exist if they truly want to avoid tying up money.

I use it for business purposes. I can pre-order whatever I want and then turn that money over numerous times. Give me $110 today and I promise I can find a way to make more than $7 over the 90 days it will cost me to borrow it.

You can guarantee a 24% annual return?

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Have you guys ever tried Affirm? For $7/box interest, you don't finish paying until January 13th and no money collected for the first 30 days. This option is available at checkout. It's still cheaper than the release day pricing and you get to play with their money for 90 days.

I'm sure some will gripe that you shouldn't need to take a loan to pre-order a product but if the price with 90 days interest is still cheaper than the release day bump, and you get 90 days of breathing room, that's a great option if tying up personal funds is a concern.

I have not. It's available at checkout on Topps? Not sure I've ever seen that. Though another step at checkout might make checkouts even more impossible on big releases, right?

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Agreed, though I'm sure for many it's more about the principle of "lending money to Topps"

Exactly. Giving free loans for months on end to a company like this isn't my ideal.

[twinsfan21]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Loose boxes OOS, that was faster than expected. Should’ve probably added 10 loose boxes

I did buy some extras (outside of my two cases) and posted them on eBay at about a $15/box profit (after fees), and they sold almost instantly. Now who’s getting the free loan Fanatics!

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

You can guarantee a 24% annual return?

Yes. As I said, "for business purposes". If you are running a retail business and can't turn 24%, you probably shouldn't be in business. That's not an infinite number though. If you gave me a million dollars to buy cards, I wouldn't be able to guarantee that. I don't think I would even have the time to do that without employees, etc. But if you loan me $1,000 and give me 90 days to return $1070, I am very confident I can use that leverage to my benefit.

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

I have not. It's available at checkout on Topps? Not sure I've ever seen that. Though another step at checkout might make checkouts even more impossible on big releases, right?

Yes, it's a box you check right below your saved credit cards. I suppose if you are talking about fighting off bots like what happened with your product, then that option probably isn't ideal. It does take you to an extra screen and presents 3, 6, and 12 month options. I avoid 6 and 12 because at that point the interest probably isn't worth it. But for standard presales like today, it's a viable option, and again, the interest is likely cheaper than the release day price as they typically charge more on release.

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Yes. As I said, "for business purposes". If you are running a retail business and can't turn 24%, you probably shouldn't be in business. That's not an infinite number though. If you gave me a million dollars to buy cards, I wouldn't be able to guarantee that. I don't think I would even have the time to do that without employees, etc. But if you loan me $1,000 and give me 90 days to return $1070, I am very confident I can use that leverage to my benefit.



Yes, it's a box you check right below your saved credit cards. I suppose if you are talking about fighting off bots like what happened with your product, then that option probably isn't ideal. It does take you to an extra screen and presents 3, 6, and 12 month options. I avoid 6 and 12 because at that point the interest probably isn't worth it. But for standard presales like today, it's a viable option, and again, the interest is likely cheaper than the release day price as they typically charge more on release.

It’s as easy as buy the hot teams at the beginning of the season and sell in the playoffs


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