brooklyn signs jason collins

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

I don't think this is for publicity / marketing like some people have said, but even if it is, I don't even find that to be a bad thing. If that was a reason, I actually commend the Nets on doing this because some things are bigger than basketball. Breaking a barrier such as this one is one of those things.

I think you're right re: not for publicity, as I'm looking at some of the other PF/C available right now and the pickings are pretty slim even if you go to the D league.

[IamRalpho]

Great for the Nets, great for the NBA, great for Jason Collins. He shouldve been signed all year.

But, the Nets arent winning the title. He is filling a hole because that team needs bigs. Its pretty cool but its not like this will alter the balance of the title landscape.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by SportsItUpCards

SMH.... So fitting!

And this means..??

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

First of all, it's the Nets, they are in 8th place in the weak East, and nobody really cares. Second, if they were signing him based on his talent, it would have been for longer than 10 days. Third, it doesn't matter that the owner is Russian, not all Russians think like Putin. Fourth, he was a below average NBA player in his prime, and only hung around because of his size. There have been hundreds if not thousands of players that have had better careers with the same or less talent. Obviously nothing more than a capitulation to the gay crowd and a publicity stunt.

Most free agents at this point in the season are signed to 10 day contracts to start, especially veteran ones. That's just simple NBA contracts. Even at just 12 players the Nets are way over the cap so they're not going to add a 13th guy to a contract to the rest of the year that'll cost them a lot...they're gonna sign him to a 10 day contract to see what he can bring to the table while also giving them an extra body on a small roster.

Also, here's what the coach said regarding Collins signing:
"The decision to sign Jason was a basketball decision,” King said in the press release. “We needed to increase our depth inside, and with his experience and size, we felt he was the right choice for a 10-day contract.”

I know that could be lip service, but find me a better big that would've signed a 10 day contract and we'll talk. It's a lost season anyways for the Nets and they probably don't want to go much further into the tax if they can help it and a 10 day helps them there.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

I find it hard to believe that there is not a better player in the D-League or overseas than Collins. As far as experience, it's not like he has had much lately, or anytime for that matter. Certainly not much playoff experience in recent years, if ever. Lip service was a poor choice of words on your part.

Regarding the end, literally every time I post about Collins (or Sam) I'm like damn, someone is gonna turn that into an innuendo. It's just too easy hahaha.

And I agree, but the Nets are a vet team, they need a vet. Overseas maybe, but you're not really gonna find that in the D league as much. I think Collins makes more sense for their team than your average D leaguer.

[hotbox]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

First of all, it's the Nets, they are in 8th place in the weak East, and nobody really cares. Second, if they were signing him based on his talent, it would have been for longer than 10 days. Third, it doesn't matter that the owner is Russian, not all Russians think like Putin. Fourth, he was a below average NBA player in his prime, and only hung around because of his size. There have been hundreds if not thousands of players that have had better careers with the same or less talent. Obviously nothing more than a capitulation to the gay crowd and a publicity stunt.

They did sign him based on talent. He's 35, hasn't played all season, and averaged a point per game last year. A ten day contract to start sounds fair to me.

I think he'll stay with the Nets for the rest of the season though, since if they didn't sign him for longer, they'd have two empty roster spots. Might as well fill them.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

I think they have too many vets, part of the reason they are in 8th place. Too old and they just got older. Admit it, it's a stunt.

I agree they have too many vets, but I think they think they need vets. I'm just saying he fits the culture they currently have there.

I initially thought it was more stunt...but I'm just saying I'm not so sure now. The pickings are very slim and Collins is more of a Reggie Evans type than comparable options...so I can see how it makes sense too.

[SportsItUpCards]

For some reason I confused the title of this thread with being knicks.....,, smh!

[jj2]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

And this means..??

Unfortunately I'm not sure there's too many ways that comment can be construed.

[Bubsteris]

Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

If him being openly gay played ANY part in the Nets signing him instead of Glen Davis, the Nets organization should be ashamed of themselves.

On the other hand, with a Russian owner and the foul stance on homosexual rights that Russia takes, I find it hard to believe that had anything to do with it.

I agree with u 100 percent

[IamRalpho]

Glen Davis CHOSE the Clippers over the Nets.

Has nothing to do with Jason Collins or what the Nets chose guys.

Come on

[NJNets24]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

First of all, it's the Nets, they are in 8th place in the weak East, and nobody really cares. Second, if they were signing him based on his talent, it would have been for longer than 10 days. Third, it doesn't matter that the owner is Russian, not all Russians think like Putin. Fourth, he was a below average NBA player in his prime, and only hung around because of his size. There have been hundreds if not thousands of players that have had better careers with the same or less talent. Obviously nothing more than a capitulation to the gay crowd and a publicity stunt.

You're an idiot.



As for Collins, Kidd pushed for his signing, so I would tend to think the man knows a little more about basketball then you guys. And there's more to basketball then PPG and RPG. Collins was a key cog on the Nets two Eastern Conference championships. The Nets +/- was always higher when he was on the court. He was considered a good locker room guy and a leader. There's more to sports than stats.

[AwesomeJuice]

He had to beat Michael Sam to the punch....

[murrke03]

Originally Posted by IamRalpho

Great for the Nets, great for the NBA, great for Jason Collins. He shouldve been signed all year.

But, the Nets arent winning the title. He is filling a hole because that team needs bigs. Its pretty cool but its not like this will alter the balance of the title landscape.

First three parts are correct. Last part not so much. He's a end of bench guy at the end of his career. No shock teams didn't sign him.

[NJNets24]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

Name calling, that's mature. He was not a key cog, he was not a leader, and a good locker room guy is code for, we are just being trying to be politically correct.

It's not name calling when you are an idiot. Yes, he was key cog, yes he was a leader, and yes he was a good locker room guy. And yes, you're an idiot.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

I know, it must be hard being a Nets fan and have to defend them. Keep up the good work, maybe they will sign you to a 10 day contract also.

Whatever he was, Collins was a Nets guy, and he played with Jason Kidd, so the move's not really surprising at all. Instead of insisting this is about headlines, how about you find a d leaguer or overseas guy who would've been a better option than Collins. The only info I can find is that when they tried out Collins they also worked out Ivan Johnson and "other bigs" including some guys in the D league and some guys coming back from China. They wanted Jordan Hill or Glen Davis but those never came to fruition.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

What does me finding a D-Leaguer or overseas guy have anything to do with the Nets signing Collins? It can't be that hard to find a big to play 5 minutes a game and give you 1 point and 1 rebound. Oh, maybe add 6 fouls to that too.

One that played with Jason Kidd/knows his style and can be depended upon to play solid post defense on bigs like Roy Hibbert come playoff time? I don't think that's something easy to find. You can't just grab a 23 year old or rookie and depend on them to do that.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

How long ago did he play with Kidd, quite awhile, I doubt any of that chemistry will amount to anything. At least a 23 year old can give you a lot more minutes than Collins. Like I said, he doesn't contribute anything.

Well then we disagree. That's okay.

[amazingpacks]

when will a pro sport get to the next level gay player?

[Zacky1053]

1 rebound, 1 steal, 2 turnovers and 2 fouls in four minutes of action through one half.

[hotbox]

Now we just need to get him his one point!

He looks like he's giving it his all out there, falling to the ground for boards.

[MLH]

He sucks, he always has. I don't see how that's debateable. This is making for an historic day but not because he's good at basketball. I don't think he will last past his 10 day contract.

[WillBBC]

I had Nets season tickets for a few years including all of Jason Collins' first run with the team. He offers little to nothing as an on-court NBA player at this point. He's a legitimate seven footer that doesn't average two boards per game. That's the opposite of effective.

Even his first run wasn't that great. Big man, takes some fouls, played (note the ED), great help defense way back when but the mobility just isn't there anymore and hasn't been in years.

That being said--yes, it is a big deal that he's an active, openly gay NBA player, it's a very big deal. And it's kind of awesome that it's in Brooklyn. Congrats to him and the Nets.

[Knicker_Please]

Originally Posted by SportsItUpCards

SMH.... So fitting!

Originally Posted by sesmarine04

Please elaborate...

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

And this means..??

Originally Posted by SportsItUpCards

For some reason I confused the title of this thread with being knicks.....,, smh!

I can refresh your memories...

In a thread that was deleted when Collins came out, SportsItUpCards stated openly that he was against Jason Collins being openly gay and being in the nba. He also stated that a main reason he was upset because he was scared of his kids having to watch him play...and I guess the possibility of watching him play turning them gay. Not trying to start anything, he said all of this so I'm just putting it out there. I'm sure he'll cry and get this deleted somehow but I'm simply re-stating what he said back when the Collins story first broke.

[1eyed_jack]

Originally Posted by Knicker_Please

I can refresh your memories...

In a thread that was deleted when Collins came out, SportsItUpCards stated openly that he was against Jason Collins being openly gay and being in the nba. He also stated that a main reason he was upset because he was scared of his kids having to watch him play...and I guess the possibility of watching him play turning them gay. Not trying to start anything, he said all of this so I'm just putting it out there. I'm sure he'll cry and get this deleted somehow but I'm simply re-stating what he said back when the Collins story first broke.

I can definitely remember this now, and it did get deleted.

I don't remember exactly what was said, but it was at least very similar to this.