Beckett grading "subjectivity" is an outright lie....

[Peties Army]

I sent in one card in a group sub a few weeks ago. Got 9.5 10 10 9.5. They must know I don't send in a lot so with that grade they know I will send in more cards. And guess what? They were right. I sent in some last week.

Smart guys at Beckett

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I just went to one of my larger submissions.

In the first 35 cards graded 5 of them were BGS 10.

Out of that 35 cards there were 24, yes 24 cards w/o a 10 subgrade.

Of those 35 cards, just 1 was a BGS 9 and 1 was a BGS 8.5. Everything else was a 9.5 or 10.

14 is a TINY TINY TINY TINY TINY sample size.

Do I need to count how many out of that 266 card order would be a 9.5 w/0 having a 10 subgrade?

We are talking odds here, so let's use that. 24 out of 35 cards did not have a 10 subgrade, that's 68.5%.

So for 14 cards to be submitted at that ratio and have none with a single 10 subgrade has a likelihood of 0.005%.

So you sit down at a table and a ball is hidden under 1 of 3 cups. This is essentially the same as not guessing which cup it is under on 14 straight tries.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

We are talking odds here, so let's use that. 24 out of 35 cards did not have a 10 subgrade, that's 68.5%.

So for 14 cards to be submitted at that ratio and have none with a single 10 subgrade has a likelihood of 0.005%.

So you sit down at a table and a ball is hidden under 1 of 3 cups. This is essentially the same as not guessing which cup it is under on 14 straight tries.

Take the other 21 cards from your last submission and put them in. You just happen to have submitted 14 cards that didnt have a 10. It happens.

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Take the other 21 cards from your last submission and put them in. You just happen to have submitted 14 cards that didnt have a 10. It happens.

I agree with This.

Or take the last 200 cards. Or 400 cards. At some point you will notice a higher then "normal" period of ten

[dfresh559]

Send in the 14 cards again and I bet majority of them receive at least a 10 subgrade.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Take the other 21 cards from your last submission and put them in. You just happen to have submitted 14 cards that didnt have a 10. It happens.

ok, my prior submission of modern cards was 42 cards....I will give the breakdown of the 168 subgrades in just a minute....

[Peties Army]

And all this being said I still don't understand how this makes them not subjective.

Unless the OP is claiming that they purposely grades his cards only 9.5

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by Peties Army

And all this being said I still don't understand how this makes them not subjective.

Unless the OP is claiming that they purposely grades his cards only 9.5

That is the ridiculous claim being made.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

We are talking odds here, so let's use that. 24 out of 35 cards did not have a 10 subgrade, that's 68.5%.

So for 14 cards to be submitted at that ratio and have none with a single 10 subgrade has a likelihood of 0.005%.

So you sit down at a table and a ball is hidden under 1 of 3 cups. This is essentially the same as not guessing which cup it is under on 14 straight tries.

You're abusing mathematics.

What do you think the odds are of any given subgrade getting a 10? (This question implies falsely that subgrades are independent, but for this exercise assume they are.) What does your gut say?

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

We are talking odds here, so let's use that. 24 out of 35 cards did not have a 10 subgrade, that's 68.5%.

So for 14 cards to be submitted at that ratio and have none with a single 10 subgrade has a likelihood of 0.005%.

So you sit down at a table and a ball is hidden under 1 of 3 cups. This is essentially the same as not guessing which cup it is under on 14 straight tries.

Fwiw I could've clicked on any of those 14 random cards and gotten the ones that had no 10's

[jewcer2k5]

Just looked at another one where there were no pristines and 23 of the 29 cards had no 10 subgrades. I could've split that order in half and EASILY had one with 14 cards and no 10's.

You are over analyzing and being paranoid as if beckett cared who you are.

[JMPKCP]

Here's my last 42 card submission results.

4 cards without a 10 subgrade.

SUBGRADES:

10.0 - 63
9.5 - 77
9.0 - 22
8.5 - 3
8.0 - 3

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Just looked at another one where there were no pristines and 23 of the 29 cards had no 10 subgrades. I could've split that order in half and EASILY had one with 14 cards and no 10's.

You are over analyzing and being paranoid as if beckett cared who you are.

Those were all 2015 cards from easily gradable sets like bowman and finest? No thick cards?

[death2redemptions]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

You're abusing mathematics.

What do you think the odds are of any given subgrade getting a 10? (This question implies falsely that subgrades are independent, but for this exercise assume they are.) What does your gut say?

Please don't pose any logical questions on here.

Let him continue thinking that the man is out to get him.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Those were all 2015 cards from easily gradable sets like bowman and finest? No thick cards?

I believe most of them are.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Just looked at another one where there were no pristines and 23 of the 29 cards had no 10 subgrades. I could've split that order in half and EASILY had one with 14 cards and no 10's.

You are over analyzing and being paranoid as if Beckett cared who you are.

You still aren't quite grasping what I'm saying here....let's say that I don't get a single 10 subgrade on all of my cards except for 1. It is a different story. My submission with ZERO is where the statistical anomaly comes into play. It's almost as though 10.0 wasn't an option for the grader to select on any subgrade.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

You still aren't quite grasping what I'm saying here....let's say that I don't get a single 10 subgrade on all of my cards except for 1. It is a different story. My submission with ZERO is where the statistical anomaly comes into play. It's almost as though 10.0 wasn't an option for the grader to select on any subgrade.

I 100% am, I am just disagreeing with you completely.

You aren't grasping what I am saying. I can randomly pick up 14 of my cards and they may not have a 10 subgrade even if they are all gems. Your sample size is beyond tiny. It is under 1% of the cards I have submitted this year.

If you had 140 cards and zero 10 subgrades you might have something to complain about. It's only 14 cards!

[spuds1961]

Do you guys think the grader should have to identify themselves.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I 100% am, I am just disagreeing with you completely.

You aren't grasping what I am saying. I can randomly pick up 14 of my cards and they may not have a 10 subgrade even if they are all gems. Your sample size is beyond tiny. It is under 1% of the cards I have submitted this year.

If you had 140 cards and zero 10 subgrades you might have something to complain about. It's only 14 cards!

Don't randomly pick 14 cards, because I don't. Those 14 cards submitted were chosen out of 100+ cards because of their appearance. I don't ever submit a card I don't think will gem, unless it is a vintage card.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Don't randomly pick 14 cards, because I don't. Those 14 cards submitted were chosen out of 100+ cards because of their appearance. I don't ever submit a card I don't think will gem, unless it is a vintage card.

I am saying I can pick 14 random cards that are already gems that were submitted and are sitting in the cases right behind me at my apartment.

It is 14 cards.

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Don't randomly pick 14 cards, because I don't. Those 14 cards submitted were chosen out of 100+ cards because of their appearance. I don't ever submit a card I don't think will gem, unless it is a vintage card.

Clearly you Aren't as good at grading as you think.

This whole topic make me giggle. More please!!!

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Don't randomly pick 14 cards, because I don't. Those 14 cards submitted were chosen out of 100+ cards because of their appearance. I don't ever submit a card I don't think will gem, unless it is a vintage card.

He isn't saying you randomly picked 14 cards he is saying out of the X amount cards he sent he could randomly pick 14 that don't have 9.5. Just like in the flip side he could pick 14 cards randomly that he has that all have tens.

It isn't enough cards to judge anything from is his point

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by Peties Army

Clearly you Aren't as good at grading as you think.

This whole topic make me giggle. More please!!!

My past results would disagree with you. With 10-20% of cards I submit coming back PRISTINE and well over half coming back GEM, getting cards graded has largely been a success for me. The real winner here is going to be you guys, because when I have time in the next couple days, I'm going to list my raw pile that was intended for my next submission on the BST. At pissed off prices, no less....

[izybone]

Could it actually be statistically improbable that your previous good fortune is a bit on the high side and that your latest submission is balancing out your probabilities?

Law of averages.

[death2redemptions]

Originally Posted by izybone

Could it actually be statistically improbable that your previous good fortune is a bit on the high side and that your latest submission is balancing out your probabilities?

Of course not! He's obviously being screwed by the man. How can you not see it???