Blue Jays' Drew Hutchinson optioned to AAA despite 12-2 record this year.... - Page 2

KD35Russ0 · 08-17-2015, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rob11nats

He's not as good as his record but he's nowhere near as bad as his ERA. His FIP is under 4 and appears to have had very bad BABIP luck too. Who are they going to replace him with?! Not like they have a bunch of studs taking up space in that rotation...

At least one person gets it...FIP

Hollywood42 · 08-17-2015, 10:01 PM

I still did it in the 3rd post....

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

Can't believe it took this long for someone to explain it. People in this thread really thought that they just shipped him off to AAA for performance.

JMPKCP · 08-17-2015, 10:10 PM

Yeah, I think everyone gets it. It's just fun to make people keep clarifying what is obvious.

Wondering if he was 2-12 with a 0.56 era whether he'd be sent down. Or whether dickey loses his spot...

CM Sports Memorabilia · 08-17-2015, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

Can't believe it took this long for someone to explain it. People in this thread really thought that they just shipped him off to AAA for performance.

Moves are made like this all the time especially early in the year. He does have some things to work on but he could be a solid 4 or 3 guy. He's just short of being a 3-1 guy for SO/BB which is good though he gives up more than 1 hit per inning- bad.

Usually that means a guy throws strikes but has little movement on his pitches. Funny thing is that he K's almost 8 per 9 innings so there is some swing and miss stuff going on. If he can get some things figured out he could be a 12-15 game winner for several years and I might be able to make a buck of his stuff!!!

dasiegel · 08-17-2015, 10:29 PM

I'm with you OP, I think generally you see the ERA and you go oof! But if you are 12-2 there are things that don't get told in the tale of the stats. Could be his attitude, could be a bunch of intangibles but at 12-2 = keep him around. If it's all luck and he's a bum (I don't really know him too well) then so be it, but he hasn't let up more than 3 runs in his last 4 starts and he won the most recent big matchup against my Yankees so he's not scared of a big spot.

AFarCry · 08-17-2015, 10:29 PM

So the word is, that this is just so he can keep his five day routine. The Jays have 3 off days in the next 10 days. They don't want him out of routine, so down he goes to maintain his schedule.

Peties Army · 08-17-2015, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

Can't believe it took this long for someone to explain it. People in this thread really thought that they just shipped him off to AAA for performance.

I don't think anyone thought that, I just think others were questioning the OPs logic

SaveMeTheGum · 08-18-2015, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shortstopguy12

You guys are missing why they are doing this... With 8 games in 10 or 11 days, I can't remember, they are doing a 4 man rotation. Hutch is the #5 guy right now and will be sent to AAA so he doesn't miss a start. The other great reason for this is the jays can call up a guy to be on the bench, whether it is a pinch hitter, a defensive specialist, or a speedy guy.... Strategic move and Drew will be back afterwards....

Yeah, it says they want him to get his regular start and he should be back for his next turn on 8/29.

But I sure wouldn't want to stop the Win haters from doing their thing. Hate on! Let me get my pitchfork!

base set · 08-18-2015, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by shortstopguy12

You guys are missing why they are doing this... With 8 games in 10 or 11 days, I can't remember, they are doing a 4 man rotation. Hutch is the #5 guy right now and will be sent to AAA so he doesn't miss a start. The other great reason for this is the jays can call up a guy to be on the bench, whether it is a pinch hitter, a defensive specialist, or a speedy guy.... Strategic move and Drew will be back afterwards....

OK, so I have a general question about this - how many "options" does an MLB team have with a player? After a while, a struggling MLB player can't be sent down to AAA for a tune-up, because it has happened too many times already, and then the player has to be placed on waivers first.

I would imagine this is a part of initial contracts players sign but I've been wondering if there is a standard #, or is it different in different contracts?

Orange October · 08-18-2015, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by base set

OK, so I have a general question about this - how many "options" does an MLB team have with a player? After a while, a struggling MLB player can't be sent down to AAA for a tune-up, because it has happened too many times already, and then the player has to be placed on waivers first.

I would imagine this is a part of initial contracts players sign but I've been wondering if there is a standard #, or is it different in different contracts?

Once a player has been placed on a team's 40-man roster, a team has 3 option years on that player. A player is considered to have used one of those three option years when he spends at least 20 days in the minors in any of those 3 seasons. A player can go up and down to the minors multiple times during the course of one season and still only "use" one option.

lazygambler · 08-18-2015, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by IamRalpho

1. Its Hutchison, no n.

Wins are probably the most useless stat in all of baseball. 1.4 WHIP isnt good either.

In his 12 wins, this is how much run support he got

6
7
7
6
7
8
8
3
6
9
4
3

I can see why he got 12 wins with all that support

Somewhere, Shelby Miller is reading this stat with tears in his eyes.

no10pin · 08-18-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lazygambler

Somewhere, Shelby Miller is reading this stat with tears in his eyes.

Seriously. Miller's ERA in just his LOSSES is over a run and a half better than Hutchison's.

death2redemptions · 08-18-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lazygambler

Somewhere, Shelby Miller is reading this stat with tears in his eyes.

Braves don't want to give him any runs because they hate him. It's one of those intangibles they speak of.

Bhenry4 · 08-18-2015, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by C&M Sports Memorabil

Doesn't hurt my feelings it's just difficult to have a baseball conversation when your contribution is "he sucks"

I'm sure that took lots of research to figure that out!

I guess that I'm an idiot then. He's not a good pitcher. I'm sorry that you wasted your money in investing in him. So, let's say that he's unlucky, and his ERA should be 4.00. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying Chrome color autos of a 4 or 5 starter. Quit being so emotional, and maybe you'll make better decisions in the future. I don't think that Gausman is much better, so whatever I had of his I sold for the most part already.

I was at a Sunday game vs the Orioles where Travis Snider misplaced a ball and cost the O's three runs. That's one game that he shouldn't have won. He's an extremely hittable pitcher.

Triple B · 08-18-2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shortstopguy12

You guys are missing why they are doing this... With 8 games in 10 or 11 days, I can't remember, they are doing a 4 man rotation. Hutch is the #5 guy right now and will be sent to AAA so he doesn't miss a start. The other great reason for this is the jays can call up a guy to be on the bench, whether it is a pinch hitter, a defensive specialist, or a speedy guy.... Strategic move and Drew will be back afterwards....

I'm stunned at how many Jays fans aren't getting this. It's temporary to keep him from not being able to pitch.

Archangel1775 · 08-18-2015, 06:05 PM

A lot of people fail to measure the intangibles this player may bring to the team. In addition, the impact he has during each start.

shayscards79 · 08-18-2015, 07:32 PM

Who cares what the jays rationale is, a 5.06 era is fair game to be sent back down to the minors regardless of record in this pitching era... This isn't 1996 anymore.

The fact he has a 12-2 record in spite of that is nothing short of a miracle.

08-17-2015, 10:29 PM	#30
dasiegel Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 27,556	I'm with you OP, I think generally you see the ERA and you go oof! But if you are 12-2 there are things that don't get told in the tale of the stats. Could be his attitude, could be a bunch of intangibles but at 12-2 = keep him around. If it's all luck and he's a bum (I don't really know him too well) then so be it, but he hasn't let up more than 3 runs in his last 4 starts and he won the most recent big matchup against my Yankees so he's not scared of a big spot. __________________ Board man. Board man gets paid.

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AFarCry Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 957 Aworldabovetherest AFarCry	So the word is, that this is just so he can keep his five day routine. The Jays have 3 off days in the next 10 days. They don't want him out of routine, so down he goes to maintain his schedule. __________________ Attempting to be a Brett Lawrie SUPERcollector. Help me out guys!!! Gotta recount all the cards again to repost stats. It's A LOT though. Help me get more! 95% done 2013 Topps Tribute Blue Refractor base set.

08-18-2015, 06:05 PM	#41
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,930	A lot of people fail to measure the intangibles this player may bring to the team. In addition, the impact he has during each start. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

08-17-2015, 10:10 PM	#28
JMPKCP Banned Join Date: May 2014 Location: Wine country Posts: 4,673	Yeah, I think everyone gets it. It's just fun to make people keep clarifying what is obvious. Wondering if he was 2-12 with a 0.56 era whether he'd be sent down. Or whether dickey loses his spot...

08-18-2015, 07:32 PM	#42
shayscards79 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,876 shayscards79	Who cares what the jays rationale is, a 5.06 era is fair game to be sent back down to the minors regardless of record in this pitching era... This isn't 1996 anymore. The fact he has a 12-2 record in spite of that is nothing short of a miracle.