PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 143

superdan49 · 06-27-2019, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Yeah, UFFDAH has been remarkably quiet about this. One emotionless response on Net54 and one angry one on the PSA message boards, and then gone.
David Seideman, still writing articles about happy times while another Forbes writer actually covers the scandal.

Very few people reporting back that they've received refunds. And the net just keeps getting wider: Mile High Auctions, Sotheby's restoration expert, more website "outages", even more trimmers. And Brent still has the audacity to plan to show up at the National.

I too wondered what happened to UFFDAH. I just assumed he was taken care of.

And speaking of down websites, Mile High's website is down for the count, with an odd message about renewing the domain name:
http://www.milehighcardco.com

UFFDAH · 06-27-2019, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Yeah, UFFDAH has been remarkably quiet about this. One emotionless response on Net54 and one angry one on the PSA message boards, and then gone.
David Seideman, still writing articles about happy times while another Forbes writer actually covers the scandal.

Very few people reporting back that they've received refunds. And the net just keeps getting wider: Mile High Auctions, Sotheby's restoration expert, more website "outages", even more trimmers. And Brent still has the audacity to plan to show up at the National.

MJOHNATGT - emotionless response - HA HA - you don't know how pissed I have been. The uncomfortable/angry communications to both PWCC and PSA standing up not only for myself but collectors as a whole go on behind the scenes. I have been made 100% whole on alerted cards which is good and have dumped all the refund into BBCE Vintage to keep it in cards. Am I pissed? Yeah!! - but I just don't have the time to constantly hammer on a forum till the cows come home.

dmanrico · 06-27-2019, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UFFDAH

MJOHNATGT - emotionless response - HA HA - you don't know how pissed I have been. The uncomfortable/angry communications to both PWCC and PSA standing up not only for myself but collectors as a whole go on behind the scenes. I have been made 100% whole on alerted cards which is good and have dumped all the refund into BBCE Vintage to keep it in cards. Am I pissed? Yeah!! - but I just don't have the time to constantly hammer on a forum till the cows come home.

Thanks for the response and glad you were made whole. Curious which entity stepped up with the refund?

mjohnatgt · 06-27-2019, 09:05 AM

Glad to hear you're still around and received your refund. Have you reported your bid discussions with Brent to any law enforcement agencies? Did you return all your graded cards to PWCC or only the ones identified so far?

HarryLime · 06-27-2019, 09:13 AM

UFFDAH, glad you were made as whole as you possibly could be in this fiasco. Also glad to hear it didn't push you out of the hobby. Keep on keeping on.

Arthur

pspa123 · 06-27-2019, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UFFDAH

MJOHNATGT - emotionless response - HA HA - you don't know how pissed I have been. The uncomfortable/angry communications to both PWCC and PSA standing up not only for myself but collectors as a whole go on behind the scenes. I have been made 100% whole on alerted cards which is good and have dumped all the refund into BBCE Vintage to keep it in cards. Am I pissed? Yeah!! - but I just don't have the time to constantly hammer on a forum till the cows come home.

If you do have time it would be most appreciated if you could post a little more information here and on 54 about which cards you returned, who paid you, the process, etc. Thanks kindly.

UFFDAH · 06-27-2019, 09:25 AM

PWCC worked with me to return the cards for refund that were questioned. PWCC refunded me the money and I am thankful for that. These cards are supposed to go back to PSA for review and I want to hear what they have to say. I don't know when this will happen but sure hope it does. I still try to collect including more interest back into unopened. Other than that its work, family, chores and a few cold ones.

2010GBPackers · 06-27-2019, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

This video released 8 hours ago from Vintage Card Curator shows that PWCC appears to be pulling some scans from PWCC Marketplace:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjyIAxDrzd0

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Rickey · 06-27-2019, 09:28 AM

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UFFDAH · 06-27-2019, 09:50 AM

Rickey - I honestly don't care about the Jordan in the grand scheme of things and not going to waste my time on it or worry about it.

CaptSpaulding · 06-27-2019, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

This video released 8 hours ago from Vintage Card Curator shows that PWCC appears to be pulling some scans from PWCC Marketplace:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjyIAxDrzd0

Is it possible this reflects cards that have been bought back and possibly decertified by PSA? Has anyone checked? He can remove any scans he wants in an attempt to hide them. They are on PSA's site, VCP and Worthpoint as well.

corndog · 06-27-2019, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Is it possible this reflects cards that have been bought back and possibly decertified by PSA? Has anyone checked? He can remove any scans he wants in an attempt to hide them. They are on PSA's site, VCP and Worthpoint as well.

I came across some yesterday that were not in the Marketplace but we're visible through VCP. I will find them when I get home. They had not been decertified.

signed79 · 06-27-2019, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

On the surface, there isn't anything wrong with "restoring" a card per se, the bigger problem is her "clearing PSA" comment. This is where the nefariousness comes into play. The non disclosure of the alteration is the worst offense, and while the seller of the card post "conserving" is the real issue, PSA is culpable here.

Exactly my thoughts too (about the clearing PSA comment).

On another note, I don't blame her for restoring trading cards, but as a professional (and she clearly is one) she should know the difference between the CGC comic grading market and PSA/SGC/BGS trading cards. I don't think she's intentionally acting nefariously, perhaps negligent is the word. I could completely be wrong though and hope she isn't "in" on this kind of fraud.

3124508 on COMC · 06-27-2019, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by corndog

I came across some yesterday that were not in the Marketplace but we're visible through VCP. I will find them when I get home. They had not been decertified.

I’ve found some here and there too. Believe at least one was a Whitman purchase. Think it might have also been a Whitman consignment?

NoleinJax · 06-27-2019, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by signed79

Exactly my thoughts too (about the clearing PSA comment).

On another note, I don't blame her for restoring trading cards, but as a professional (and she clearly is one) she should know the difference between the CGC comic grading market and PSA/SGC/BGS trading cards. I don't think she's intentionally acting nefariously, perhaps negligent is the word. I could completely be wrong though and hope she isn't "in" on this kind of fraud.

I'd say she's well aware considering her comment that the card "passed" PSA. She knows what she's doing is frowned upon and if her work were detected, the card wouldn't "pass" PSA.

Vintagecollect · 06-27-2019, 11:22 AM

[QUOTE=Rickey;14800626]UFFDAH - Purchased 4/17/19 from PWCC $1,213? If yes, stop buying PSA graded cards.

I believe this was before the majority of the scandal broke? Ie his gem mint 10 card

Cubsfanp · 06-27-2019, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NoleinJax

I'd say she's well aware considering her comment that the card "passed" PSA. She knows what she's doing is frowned upon and if her work were detected, the card wouldn't "pass" PSA.

She is simply using the same argument that any of these bad actors would do.

"PSA/BGS certified it and slabbed it...its their fault! I never ASKED for it to be certified authentic, they are the experts."

SetBuilder · 06-27-2019, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

She is simply using the same argument that any of these bad actors would do.

"PSA/BGS certified it and slabbed it...its their fault! I never ASKED for it to be certified authentic, they are the experts."

Not a good excuse considering she is also an expert.

MoreToppsPlease · 06-27-2019, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SetBuilder

Not a good excuse considering she is also an expert.

Passing the buck by saying “everyone else is doing it” also is not an acceptable response.

metallicalex777 · 06-27-2019, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

She is simply using the same argument that any of these bad actors would do.

"PSA/BGS certified it and slabbed it...its their fault! I never ASKED for it to be certified authentic, they are the experts."

I'd be interested in validating "Did she get paid to alter this card" and/or "Did she get compensated post sale of this altered card".

Cubsfanp · 06-27-2019, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by metallicalex777

I'd be interested in validating "Did she get paid to alter this card" and/or "Did she get compensated post sale of this altered card".

yes, it is a big difference in the two. Nothing wrong with "restoring" a card for a private collection.

Something definitely wrong with "restoring" a card with intent to profit by deceptively selling practices of non disclosure of said alteration.

superdan49 · 06-27-2019, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

yes, it is a big difference in the two. Nothing wrong with "restoring" a card for a private collection.

Something definitely wrong with "restoring" a card with intent to profit by deceptively selling practices of non disclosure of said alteration.

Her Facebook post featuring that Gehrig card (one obviously not intended for a private collection, as it was slabbed by PSA and sold a few months after its purchase in an SGC holder) three years after its restoration work is a bit odd given the timing of all of this. The post has subsequently been taken down.

signed79 · 06-27-2019, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Her Facebook post featuring that Gehrig card (one obviously not intended for a private collection, as it was slabbed by PSA and sold a few months after its purchase in an SGC holder) three years after its restoration work is a bit odd given the timing of all of this. The post has subsequently been taken down.

Just came here to post this...

edit to add - I think the reason it's a recent post is because it looks like her FB business page is fairly new

NoleinJax · 06-27-2019, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

She is simply using the same argument that any of these bad actors would do.

"PSA/BGS certified it and slabbed it...its their fault! I never ASKED for it to be certified authentic, they are the experts."

Which means she's aware imo. I doubt she's naive to what's going on.

ThoseBackPages · 06-27-2019, 05:15 PM

sounds like shes calling for business

06-27-2019, 09:25 AM	#3557
UFFDAH Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 75	PWCC worked with me to return the cards for refund that were questioned. PWCC refunded me the money and I am thankful for that. These cards are supposed to go back to PSA for review and I want to hear what they have to say. I don't know when this will happen but sure hope it does. I still try to collect including more interest back into unopened. Other than that its work, family, chores and a few cold ones. Last edited by UFFDAH; 06-27-2019 at 09:28 AM.

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Rickey Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 484	..... Last edited by Rickey; 11-02-2021 at 10:46 PM.

06-27-2019, 11:22 AM	#3566
Vintagecollect Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 1,122	[QUOTE=Rickey;14800626]UFFDAH - Purchased 4/17/19 from PWCC $1,213? If yes, stop buying PSA graded cards. I believe this was before the majority of the scandal broke? Ie his gem mint 10 card __________________ Signed 1952 topps "You literally asked a question and quoted the answer"

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,804 ThoseBackPages	sounds like shes calling for business __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

06-27-2019, 09:05 AM	#3554
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,620 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Glad to hear you're still around and received your refund. Have you reported your bid discussions with Brent to any law enforcement agencies? Did you return all your graded cards to PWCC or only the ones identified so far?

06-27-2019, 09:13 AM	#3555
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	UFFDAH, glad you were made as whole as you possibly could be in this fiasco. Also glad to hear it didn't push you out of the hobby. Keep on keeping on. Arthur

06-27-2019, 09:50 AM	#3560
UFFDAH Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 75	Rickey - I honestly don't care about the Jordan in the grand scheme of things and not going to waste my time on it or worry about it.