Class action suit filed against PSA, PWCC and Probstein

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by chiefsncards275

Why waste the time sending an email that won’t be responded to?


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That doesn't matter. A response isn't the goal. The goal is to make them aware that collectors are annoyed that they're taking drastic efforts to HELP commit fraud against us. Can you imagine if one of us regular folks asked BGS to write us a letter confirming a card was legit? They'd tell us to go **** ourselves. Not PWCC. Not only do they give him a letter, they do so for a card that's CLEARLY TRIMMED.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by corndog

One would think that Beckett would pay attention during a technical review.

Prior images should be used as evidence when they can be found.

Cards like this are the easiest to confirm as trimmed due to the simple ability to count dots. Pre trimmed raw has 16 white dots as noted. Post trimmed has 15.

It's not photoshop, a strange glare or an optical illusion. The card has been 100% trimmed.

Great work! Grading companies should know how many dots need to be present and use this information as part of their grading and authentication processes. The fact that they don’t use product-specific info only reinforces how cards is graded is not useful.

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

I encourage (challenge) you and everyone else to E-mail Beckett to see what they have to say. Same goes for PSA, SGC, etc. It would be great to let them talk instead of listening to everyone making the excuses for them! I don't expect anything beyond internal investigations and BS, but it would be great to at least get a response from them.

And we can also post our concerns on the CU Forum website. I have no doubt that they'll address our dire concerns openly, honestly and with sincerity. They are an "open book", with response time and candid communication that's second to none.

If PSA was in charge of handling the Coronavirus, we would still be completely in the dark. There would be no acknowledgement that a problem even exists. Reporters would be censored and banned for asking questions, and customers would be advised to shut up and stop causing trouble.

We are too busy printing money... There is no virus.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by Badger Ben

Too bad DeLorme passed away, I’m sure he would have been someone the Feds would have loved to interview.

From my correspondence with him, he was tight with Brent at one point, but came to dislike him and Betsy with a passion. He knew all about the workings of the inner circle too. It's definitely a shame, although how much he would have talked is unclear as he would likely have implicated himself.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

That doesn't matter. A response isn't the goal. The goal is to make them aware that collectors are annoyed that they're taking drastic efforts to HELP commit fraud against us. Can you imagine if one of us regular folks asked BGS to write us a letter confirming a card was legit? They'd tell us to go **** ourselves. Not PWCC. Not only do they give him a letter, they do so for a card that's CLEARLY TRIMMED.

Yeah, a response from Beckett isn't likely but they apparently did go on record (letter that PWCC references) stating this card/grade were properly assigned.
If the previous photos were used in this reassessment, it would be very interesting to see what Beckett has to say on the topic. Maybe PWCC should provide an scan of the letter?

If Beckett won't talk, that would just be more evidence against them, if/when they are added to the class action case.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by chiefsncards275

Why waste the time sending an email that won’t be responded to?

Originally Posted by tconte

Unfortunately, I would agree unless you have absolutely nothing better to
do.

Most well written letters asking for a response get them. Not necessarily the response you want but they're replied to.

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

That doesn't matter. A response isn't the goal. The goal is to make them aware that collectors are annoyed that they're taking drastic efforts to HELP commit fraud against us. Can you imagine if one of us regular folks asked BGS to write us a letter confirming a card was legit? They'd tell us to go **** ourselves. Not PWCC. Not only do they give him a letter, they do so for a card that's CLEARLY TRIMMED.

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[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

But we already know their response here will be tantamount to their admitting they are unable to catch alterations.

Anything in print from Beckett would be better than assumptions or nothing...

[adamwanaselja]

Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

If PSA was in charge of handling the Coronavirus, we would still be completely in the dark. There would be no acknowledgement that a problem even exists. Reporters would be censored and banned for asking questions, and customers would be advised to shut up and stop causing trouble.

We are too busy printing money... There is no virus.

So PSA is in fact in charge of handling the Coronavirus.

[MOONBASE1]

Hope that the gov. agency into this issue does not let up/get sidetracked due to the virus pandemic. As gov. employees they may be reassigned to the virus issue.

[Comix Guy]

Originally Posted by MOONBASE1

Hope that the gov. agency into this issue does not let up/get sidetracked due to the virus pandemic. As gov. employees they may be reassigned to the virus issue.

Huh? This is a court case, not an investigation. And if there was any type of investigation why would they put an investigator on Coronavirus? Do you want your dentist performing your open heart surgery?

[cking]

Originally Posted by auburn35

If Beckett won't talk, that would just be more evidence against them, if/when they are added to the class action case.

Hopefully soon. They stink at what they do as well.

[ThoseBackPages]

Corona could close the court system down

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Corona could close the court system down

Already happening, at least in regards to hobby court cases.
The Upper Deck vs Leaf litigation was nearing it's trial date (end of this month) and was shut down due to Corona.

[corndog]

Came across this card last night.
Do you see it?
PSA.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by corndog

Came across this card last night.
Do you see it?
PSA.

The star that someone added to back?

[cking]

Originally Posted by corndog

Came across this card last night.
Do you see it?
PSA.

LMAO.....Just wow

[corndog]

Originally Posted by auburn35

The star that someone added to back?

Grader probably never turned the card over.

Not surprised at all.

[Pink Pussycat]

That card could be the "Poster Boy" for this entire scandal. Speaks volumes about the level of effort PSA puts into grading these things.

And to think about the ridiculous premiums people pay for these slabs (when in reality the grade is just a meaningless, random and haphazard opinion).

[MoreToppsPlease]

There are kinds of disappearing/reappearing ink that show depending on the temperature. It would be funny if someone wrote “PSA Sucks!” on an otherwise perfect card with it just to see what would happen after a submission.

But apparently disappearing/reappearing ink isn’t even necessary, LOL.

[mjohnatgt]

1968 Topps - [Base] #66.1 - Casey Cox (Yellow Team Name) [PSA#@5#@EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

That's kind of like this one I've posted before, except here there are two red markings on the front of the card. Still no MK qualifier.

[qdoggmets]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

1968 Topps - [Base] #66.1 - Casey Cox (Yellow Team Name) [PSA#@5#@EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

That's kind of like this one I've posted before, except here there are two red markings on the front of the card. Still no MK qualifier.

So the psa 7mk got a psa due to a request on the form not to have qualifiers on the slab. That is what I see from here.

[mjohnatgt]

I submitted it and did not list no qualifiers. Also, a MK qualifier is not supposed to be removed, according to PSA's rules. Thanks for playing. And a card with that centering would never achieve a straight PSA 7 either.

[cking]

Originally Posted by qdoggmets

So the psa 7mk got a psa due to a request on the form not to have qualifiers on the slab. That is what I see from here.

A new PSA apologist?

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by cking

A new PSA apologist?

PSA doesn't need to make excuses for horrible quality control (whether done purposely or with negligence) when they have other people doing all the PR work for them

[3124508 on COMC]

Add this to the lawsuit. Final hammer of $17,100.

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Card already ran the distance once with PWCC and was likely returned after the buyer found out it was trimmed. Now it's back again with the grade "confirmed" by Beckett so PWCC can continue to profit off of selling vast quantities of trimmed cards for their ex-con consignors and BGS can run their business as a criminal racket with no financial consequence. Buyer beware.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2215711




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