PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 251

Bowman1951 · 01-15-2020, 09:45 AM

It's a new type of stockholm syndrome that should be entered into the DSM-VI when it arrives. Cardboard victims that don't chastise those that literally stole money from them through alterations, but continue to praise them for doing so.

superdan49 · 01-15-2020, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tconte

Maybe the guy bought the card from the person who bought it off PWCC....

I know if it was me, I would research as best I could the history of the slab but not
everyone can or wants to do that.

I'm just trying to stay hopeful that most collectors aren't risking getting taken a second time.

That was my first thought too. But no, it is definitely him buying. Here is another:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Upper-.../352829789649?
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2112676
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...mment_12490859

It's his prerogative. It's just shocking he's returned to buying from the company that was involved in allegedly defrauding him of so much money.

pip · 01-15-2020, 10:11 AM

Brent's explanation to the customer:

https://youtu.be/ftt4f2H3GDs?t=110

corndog · 01-15-2020, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

Brent's explanation to the customer:

https://youtu.be/ftt4f2H3GDs?t=110

I approve of that video.

auburn35 · 01-15-2020, 12:59 PM

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...unless you're Brent Huigens (PWCC).

Bruins1993 · 01-15-2020, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

The first post is almost certainly about UFFDAH. The second one is not.

His self defense mechanisms are in overdrive!

I am guessing he looks good compared to some hardcore registry addicts/collectors.

Imagine in the future if all the PSA slabs held the same weight as GAI haha

This is · 01-15-2020, 01:34 PM

saved this from one of my facebook groups last year. I thought it fit here..

vintg · 01-15-2020, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

LOL. Just wait.

c'mon now, this just isn't fair......

lol.

do tell.

Vintagecollect · 01-15-2020, 10:47 PM

Maybe his refund was in PWCC gift cards? HEH

Even I stopped buying card from PWCC, I don't even add them to my watch list. I care more about NOT buying from PWCC, than I do about buying ANY card

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

Soxfanguy · 01-15-2020, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vintagecollect

Maybe his refund was in PWCC gift cards? HEH

Even I stopped buying card from PWCC, I don't even add them to my watch list. I care more about NOT buying from PWCC, than I do about buying ANY card

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

I wish you could block sellers on ebay

superdan49 · 01-15-2020, 11:14 PM

PSA Cert #:26675879

1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Charlie Ganzel PSA 5 MK to PSA 5
Alteration types: Recoloring
Set Registry status: None

Sold on 8/15/2015 as a PSA 5 MK by Memory Lane Inc. to an unknown buyer for $544.92
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 3/12/2017 as a PSA 5 for $730.00
Final price: $730.00
Value gain: $185.08

Two other altered 1895 Mayo's Cut Plug cards had been previously found in this PSA order. For those, see Post #4546 and also Post #4625 earlier in this thread. This card, too, is altered. First, I encircled in red the reason the card received an MK (mark) qualifier the first time it was graded. The PSA grader simply missed this mark upon regrading. More importantly, however, are the areas of the card I marked in blue. On the front, the bottom edge and bottom corners have been lightly retouched with black to minimize the wear. On the reverse, a small area of wear has also been retouched in black. Remember, the card doctor's goal is not to eliminate the wear (that would be too obvious), it is to minimize to improve the grade and thus get more money.

PSA 5 MK:https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=36572
PSA 5: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1435732

corndog · 01-19-2020, 04:15 PM

I came across this card while researching other cards.
It appears that the card was part of a two card submission to PSA.
The initial buyer and consignor are currently unknown.
The PSA 9 is trimmed at an angle at the bottom. The card is not even square.

PSA Cert #27471454

PSA Set Registry: private

1950 Bowman Tony Canadeo #9 - Population 1 of 7

Value gain of $5,070.00

This card was purchased by an unknown buyer from Huggins & Scott Auctions as a SGC 8.5 for $630.00 on May 05, 2017.
VCP snip:

Same card was sold by Robert Edwards Auctions as a PSA 9 for $5,700.00 on October 29, 2017.
VCP snip:

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies a trimmed crooked bottom edge.

pip · 01-19-2020, 04:23 PM

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The PSA 9 is trimmed at an angle at the bottom. The card is not even square.

If PSA ever finds itself in court over this it's going to be tough to justify all the missed trimming--everything from the extremely small cards to poorly executed angular cuts like on the Canadeo. PSA can't claim they are the industry's leading experts AND they made honest mistakes on all the trimmed sh*t. They can't have it both ways. Either they are the most incompetent TPG in the universe (why are they even in business?) or they're complicit in the whole grading scandal.

pip · 01-19-2020, 04:29 PM

Btw, that's a really nice Tony Canadeo rookie card (SGC 8.5) that was totally ruined. That PSA 9 is no better than a "good" condition card with serious defects, imo. It's singular acts like this that ruin the hobby.

corndog · 01-19-2020, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

Btw, that's a really nice Tony Canadeo rookie card (SGC 8.5) that was totally ruined. That PSA 9 is no better than a "good" condition card with serious defects, imo. It's singular acts like this that ruin the hobby.

Agreed, the SGC was much nicer.
The obvious to the eye angle cut not being noticed is telling in multiple ways.
Even by the buyer.

pspa123 · 01-19-2020, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

Agreed, the SGC was much nicer.
The obvious to the eye angle cut not being noticed is telling in multiple ways.
Even by the buyer.

The buyers don't look past the flips.

Scottish Punk · 01-19-2020, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

Btw, that's a really nice Tony Canadeo rookie card (SGC 8.5) that was totally ruined. That PSA 9 is no better than a "good" condition card with serious defects, imo. It's singular acts like this that ruin the hobby.

As a SGC fan, this makes me very sad. The SGC was a fantastic card and no business being altered.

Rooftop · 01-19-2020, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

As a SGC fan, this makes me very sad. The SGC was a fantastic card and no business being altered.

Was probably a PSA 7 before it got into SGC slab

tconte · 01-19-2020, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooftop

Was probably a PSA 7 before it got into SGC slab

Yep! I was thinking the same thing. Maybe a 4 before that and then a crease
or two were removed and maybe some corner work and added color.

pip · 01-19-2020, 06:29 PM

That's some quality cynicism.

vintagedream · 01-19-2020, 06:48 PM

1952 Topps Mantle is one of my dream card. This thread is very informative. Thank you.

HarryLime · 01-20-2020, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tconte

Yep! I was thinking the same thing. Maybe a 4 before that and then a crease
or two were removed and maybe some corner work and added color.

Arthur

3124508 on COMC · 01-20-2020, 10:20 AM

David Thorn currently owns the trimmed SGC 8 copy of this card, so be on the lookout for it in a PSA 9 slab shortly with the other edge trimmed.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1888519

pip · 01-20-2020, 10:30 AM

Someone greedy and dishonest lost some money on that card, but as you point out, maybe David Thorn can recover some of it by reducing the size of some of his holdings.

It looks like SGC graders (I'm assuming there's more than one) have also misplaced their rulers. I think it speaks volumes that a large percent of fraud could be eliminated by doing something that a monkey could be trained to do.

cking · 01-20-2020, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superdan49

It's his prerogative. It's just shocking he's returned to buying from the company that was involved in allegedly defrauding him of so much money.

This is just one of the many reasons this stuff will continue to happen.

To be honest with you, people like this deserve to be robbed and I dont feel bad for them at all.

01-15-2020, 09:45 AM	#6251
Bowman1951 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Boston 'Burbs Posts: 4,717 djblitz Bowman1951	It's a new type of stockholm syndrome that should be entered into the DSM-VI when it arrives. Cardboard victims that don't chastise those that literally stole money from them through alterations, but continue to praise them for doing so. __________________ I am the head promoter of one of the most successful Saturday monthly card shows in New England. https://flippincardshow.com/

01-15-2020, 12:59 PM	#6255
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,392	You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...unless you're Brent Huigens (PWCC). __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

01-15-2020, 10:47 PM	#6259
Vintagecollect Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 1,122	Maybe his refund was in PWCC gift cards? HEH Even I stopped buying card from PWCC, I don't even add them to my watch list. I care more about NOT buying from PWCC, than I do about buying ANY card Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk __________________ Signed 1952 topps "You literally asked a question and quoted the answer"

01-15-2020, 11:14 PM	#6261
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	PSA Cert #:26675879 1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Charlie Ganzel PSA 5 MK to PSA 5 Alteration types: Recoloring Set Registry status: None Sold on 8/15/2015 as a PSA 5 MK by Memory Lane Inc. to an unknown buyer for $544.92 Consigned to PWCC and sold on 3/12/2017 as a PSA 5 for $730.00 *Final price: $730.00* *Value gain: $185.08* Two other altered 1895 Mayo's Cut Plug cards had been previously found in this PSA order. For those, see Post #4546 and also Post #4625 earlier in this thread. This card, too, is altered. First, I encircled in red the reason the card received an MK (mark) qualifier the first time it was graded. The PSA grader simply missed this mark upon regrading. More importantly, however, are the areas of the card I marked in blue. On the front, the bottom edge and bottom corners have been lightly retouched with black to minimize the wear. On the reverse, a small area of wear has also been retouched in black. Remember, the card doctor's goal is not to eliminate the wear (that would be too obvious), it is to minimize to improve the grade and thus get more money. PSA 5 MK:https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=36572 PSA 5: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1435732 __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line Last edited by superdan49; 01-15-2020 at 11:18 PM.

01-19-2020, 04:15 PM	#6262
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,218	I came across this card while researching other cards. It appears that the card was part of a two card submission to PSA. The initial buyer and consignor are currently unknown. The PSA 9 is trimmed at an angle at the bottom. The card is not even square. PSA Cert #27471454 PSA Set Registry: private 1950 Bowman Tony Canadeo #9 - Population 1 of 7 Value gain of $5,070.00 This card was purchased by an unknown buyer from Huggins & Scott Auctions as a SGC 8.5 for $630.00 on May 05, 2017. VCP snip: Same card was sold by Robert Edwards Auctions as a PSA 9 for $5,700.00 on October 29, 2017. VCP snip: Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies a trimmed crooked bottom edge. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 01-20-2020 at 02:40 PM.

01-15-2020, 10:11 AM	#6253
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Brent's explanation to the customer: https://youtu.be/ftt4f2H3GDs?t=110

01-15-2020, 01:34 PM	#6257
This is Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 729	saved this from one of my facebook groups last year. I thought it fit here..

01-19-2020, 04:29 PM	#6264
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Btw, that's a really nice Tony Canadeo rookie card (SGC 8.5) that was totally ruined. That PSA 9 is no better than a "good" condition card with serious defects, imo. It's singular acts like this that ruin the hobby.

01-19-2020, 06:29 PM	#6270
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	That's some quality cynicism.

01-19-2020, 06:48 PM	#6271
vintagedream Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 28	1952 Topps Mantle is one of my dream card. This thread is very informative. Thank you.

01-20-2020, 10:20 AM	#6273
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,403	David Thorn currently owns the trimmed SGC 8 copy of this card, so be on the lookout for it in a PSA 9 slab shortly with the other edge trimmed. https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1888519 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

01-20-2020, 10:30 AM	#6274
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Someone greedy and dishonest lost some money on that card, but as you point out, maybe David Thorn can recover some of it by reducing the size of some of his holdings. It looks like SGC graders (I'm assuming there's more than one) have also misplaced their rulers. I think it speaks volumes that a large percent of fraud could be eliminated by doing something that a monkey could be trained to do.