American League MVP - Page 32

Skipscards · 09-12-2022, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Playing the outfield is easy? So Justin Turner can be thrown out in centerfield and be just fine?

Taylor doesn't just play the easy positions -- he plays the hard ones too. He plays both centerfield and shortstop, which means he can naturally slide over to an easier corner spot. Did you see him thrown out a runner at home plate on a fly ball to right field? It was on Sunday Night Baseball, I believe.

Fyi, he’s played exactly one inning of shortstop this year.

Skipscards · 09-12-2022, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Versatility can be defined and qualified. Utility players can qualify for the utility designation by playing several positions regularly enough. Players like Ben Zobrist played all over the field and had no primary position.

Utility isn’t a designation one qualifies for.

Skipscards · 09-12-2022, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

WAR doesn't consider the roster ramifications -- only the on-field performance. It doesn't view Ohtani's ability to both pitch and hit at an elite level as a more efficient utilization of a roster spot than if it were two players filling those roles.

So what? When a player is good enough to pitch and hit well, it is factored into their WAR when they do those things well.

ReggieBush22 · 09-13-2022, 08:15 AM

Gotta go with Shohei.

Bball is a sport where no matter how great you are individually, the impact you have on winning can be marginal. This isn't basketball or a QB in football. A hitter gets 4 ABs and a pitcher pitches every 5 days.

If Shohei wasn't MVP last year, people would be going nuts over him this year. It's just voter fatigue.

cnewby · 09-13-2022, 08:45 PM

#56 and #57 so far tonight. GGS

rman112 · 09-13-2022, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Gotta go with Shohei.

Bball is a sport where no matter how great you are individually, the impact you have on winning can be marginal. This isn't basketball or a QB in football. A hitter gets 4 ABs and a pitcher pitches every 5 days.

If Shohei wasn't MVP last year, people would be going nuts over him this year. It's just voter fatigue.

Yeah.. no.

Stifle · 09-13-2022, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

#56 and #57 so far tonight. GGS

Judge is carrying a team under pressure virtually on his back. Nearly .26 % of the Yankees run production. Unsure of what other candidates have but take the Runs and RBI’s, minus the home run total and the total is divided by the total runs the Yankees have scored.
Runs + RBI’s - Home Runs = ? and then divided by Yankees total Runs = %

rman112 · 09-13-2022, 08:52 PM

Judge is 19 for his last 37, with 2 doubles and 6 HR.

Boo · 09-14-2022, 06:29 AM

It got quiet in here.

NYRE2PECT · 09-14-2022, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

It got quiet in here.

#99 has created some space with this recent tear.

If there was any ambiguity, I believe he has put that to rest. Sho made it pretty interesting for a couple of weeks there when Aaron was quiet.

Will be interesting to see if it is J-Ram in the third spot, or Trout.

Boo · 09-14-2022, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

#99 has created some space with this recent tear.

If there was any ambiguity, I believe he has put that to rest. Sho made it pretty interesting for a couple of weeks there when Aaron was quiet.

Will be interesting to see if it is J-Ram in the third spot, or Trout.

Ohtani was only "close" in the minds of the Ohtani boys. A recent ballot of "experts" voted 17-0 for Judge.

corndog · 09-14-2022, 06:44 AM

It would be nice to see Judge surpass 61 for the MLB record.

NYRE2PECT · 09-14-2022, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Ohtani was only "close" in the minds of the Ohtani boys. A recent ballot of "experts" voted 17-0 for Judge.

Gotcha. You don't have to be nervous anymore.

Boo · 09-14-2022, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

Gotcha. You don't have to be nervous anymore.

Check my prior posts, I said it's been over for many weeks. Sorry your boy isn't even the best hitter on his team.

NYRE2PECT · 09-14-2022, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Check my prior posts, I said it's been over for many weeks. Sorry your boy isn't even the best hitter on his team.

Sheesh, you are sensitive. Don't worry, your boy's got it.

I said Sho made it interesting for a couple of weeks. Red is Sho; Blue is Judge.

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NCWolf · 09-14-2022, 06:56 AM

Aaron Judge has been incredible.

But Shohei Ohtani has basically been Mookie Betts at the plate and Max Scherzer on the mound.

Judge will win it - but the extra 20 HRs and glove in RF doesn’t outweigh the ace on the mound IMO.

rman112 · 09-14-2022, 07:00 AM

Fangraphs has him at 9.7 now. Lol. And that's with a net negative defensive value.

cnewby · 09-14-2022, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Ohtani was only "close" in the minds of the Ohtani boys. A recent ballot of "experts" voted 17-0 for Judge.

This is true. Been over for a while now.

fulltritty · 09-14-2022, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

#99 has created some space with this recent tear.

If there was any ambiguity, I believe he has put that to rest. Sho made it pretty interesting for a couple of weeks there when Aaron was quiet.

Will be interesting to see if it is J-Ram in the third spot, or Trout.

The only thing he was "quiet" on was hitting home runs at the pace he was in the beginning. Meanwhile, he was still hitting, raising his average above .300, and carrying the team's offense on his back.

henryd30 · 09-14-2022, 08:18 AM

Arreaz .319
Bogaerts .318
Abreu .312
Judge .310

Moving up the AL Batting Average Leader Board!

dodgerfanjohn · 09-14-2022, 08:36 AM

It’s Judges to lose at this point.

oldgoldy97 · 09-14-2022, 09:02 AM

12-8.

JoshMN · 09-14-2022, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NCWolf

But Shohei Ohtani has basically been Mookie Betts at the plate

Tell me you are bad at math without telling me you are bad at math. Look up those offensive WAR numbers- if the Ohtani folks live by WAR y'all gotta die by WAR. Ohtani is not even close to Betts at the plate right now with respect to WAR.

zworykin · 09-14-2022, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshMN

Tell me you are bad at math without telling me you are bad at math. Look up those offensive WAR numbers- if the Ohtani folks live by WAR y'all gotta die by WAR. Ohtani is not even close to Betts at the plate right now with respect to WAR.

Pretty sure the "Ohtani folks" are the ones arguing that WAR is NOT the be-all, end-all measure of value. And we all know that a RF and a DH with identical batting stats would have markedly different WAR, given the larger positional penalty applied to the DH vs the RF.

ThoseBackPages · 09-14-2022, 10:12 AM

#ALLRI$E!!!!!!

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09-13-2022, 08:15 AM	#779
ReggieBush22 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,579 lionpride	Gotta go with Shohei. Bball is a sport where no matter how great you are individually, the impact you have on winning can be marginal. This isn't basketball or a QB in football. A hitter gets 4 ABs and a pitcher pitches every 5 days. If Shohei wasn't MVP last year, people would be going nuts over him this year. It's just voter fatigue.

09-13-2022, 08:52 PM	#783
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Judge is 19 for his last 37, with 2 doubles and 6 HR.

09-14-2022, 06:56 AM	#791
NCWolf Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 3,449	Aaron Judge has been incredible. But Shohei Ohtani has basically been Mookie Betts at the plate and Max Scherzer on the mound. Judge will win it - but the extra 20 HRs and glove in RF doesn’t outweigh the ace on the mound IMO.

09-14-2022, 07:00 AM	#792
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Fangraphs has him at 9.7 now. Lol. And that's with a net negative defensive value.

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henryd30 Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 271 henryd30	Arreaz .319 Bogaerts .318 Abreu .312 Judge .310 Moving up the AL Batting Average Leader Board!

09-14-2022, 08:36 AM	#796
dodgerfanjohn Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 5,199 sternroolz	It’s Judges to lose at this point.