PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by POKTRITON

I'm sure graders can be compromised financially as well

That's a pretty bold statement.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Good to know. I recalled your name from discussions during that period on 54 but am glad to hear you were not one of the guys defending the prices.

[KhalDrogo]

Not sure why anyone would give Leon their name. He might threaten you outside a bathroom at The National.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=209385

[jucornett1]

no problem man, all good. no hard feelings

i completely understand the concern.... i share the same concerns

However, if there is a legitimate mistake made, as the (owner/seller) it is a big negative for the card to have a $0.00 sale reported when there was no apparent manipulation that occurred. its a bad situation for all those involved. I think Brent did the right thing by both the buyer/seller and the market with his decision in this particular case.

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Sorry if I came off too aggressively. However your story + stuff like this that you post doesn't sit well with me.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by jucornett1

no problem man, all good. no hard feelings

i completely understand the concern.... i share the same concerns

However, if there is a legitimate mistake made, as the (owner/seller) it is a big negative for the card to have a $0.00 sale reported when there was no apparent manipulation that occurred. its a bad situation for all those involved. I think Brent did the right thing by both the buyer/seller and the market with his decision in this particular case.

Yeah, I'm sure Brent was happy to help out his buddy who has been involved with and called out for trimming/recoloring/back switching/re-glossing/faking/shilling/scamming since the 90s.

[POKTRITON]

Originally Posted by POKTRITON

I'm sure graders can be compromised financially as well

It happens in a lot of industries. I'm pretty sure that a lot of these graders don't make a lot of money and can be compromised....you take care of me and i'll take care of you

[3124508 on COMC]

[jucornett1]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Yeah, I'm sure Brent was happy to help out his buddy who has been involved with and called out for trimming/recoloring/back switching/re-glossing/faking/shilling/scamming since the 90s.

Not sure on that one. Perhaps your right? i don't know the details on who the seller was nor do i know their relationship with Brent.

i only knew who won it by accident and he was a true collector that had zero retractions and a history of full payment.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jucornett1

Not sure on that one. Perhaps your right? i don't know the details on who the seller was nor do i know their relationship with Brent.

i only knew who won it by accident and he was a true collector that had zero retractions and a history of full payment.

Won by accident? What does that mean?

[jucornett1]

your point is?

that I have been bullish on card prices and been correct for quite some time?

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by jucornett1

As I understand it, the overwhelming majority of transactions are completed. those that aren't get represented at $0.00. only under very extenuating circumstances do items get deleted all together from the database. i would guess its a very small % that just 'disappear', but as a seller, i can certainly understand and appreciate why a request like that would be made.

I posted this on the CU board back in 2016. 1989 Hoops David Robinson PSA 10 that went for $470.

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...aid-for#latest

Betsy responds down the thread confirming the sale. It’s not in their database even at $0. Maybe there’s a legitimate reason.

[jucornett1]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I posted this on the CU board back in 2016. 1989 Hoops David Robinson PSA 10 that went for $470.

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...aid-for#latest

Betsy responds down the thread confirming the sale. It’s not in their database even at $0. Maybe there’s a legitimate reason.

not sure. i just typed in a few items that i have won and they arent showing up either. maybe they are making a transition on servers and all the data isnt in their archive? maybe you should reach out to brent or betsy. they are pretty responsive when i reach out with questions

[TheRealDeal]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Thanks for clarifying. My name is Jim Parker. I am not hiding anywhere but in plain site and always stand behind what I say, here and elsewhere. I assumed my name was already on all posts....and many people already know who I am. I won't respond further in this thread because i don't want to distract from the key issues being uncovered and discussed.

Edited to add: My net54 post simply warned people to make themselves aware of the massive fraud perpetrated by pwcc that is being uncovered currently as we speak.

Yes, and it was for speaking ill of one of Leon's advertisers that you got the boot. How dare you point out fraud by one of his meal tickets? You can't expect him to get a job, can you? Yeap.

[CardsCollectMe]

Crazy how many are here "protecting their investments" by being irrational, nonsensical, delusional and downright demented.

[TheRealDeal]

Originally Posted by Fudd

edited after reading Leon's Post. I Do agree that if you are going to share a controversial opinion, it doesn't hurt to put your name beside it. That is actually a good thing on Leons defense. I have been suspended a couple of times for silly things really, but NEVER for sharing my disdain for criminals.

Jim's name was by his post the entire time. He was banned for being the 198th person that day to criticize PWCC's fraud.

[HarryLime]

Who is "protecting their investment?" I see some pushback on the mob mentality but I haven't yet seen anyone say that this isn't happening.

Arthur

[jstephens24]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you should ask him

they did. he said he did not know. he responded that to comc

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by jstephens24

they did. he said he did not know. he responded that to comc

ahhh ok. if he doesnt know, then we wont either

[qdoggmets]

Originally Posted by jucornett1

i can assure you they try their best to get it right... unfortunately, they don't all the time.

if any of you guys buy a card that is slabbed by PSA and you prove to them that the card was altered/restored and missed by them, as i understand it, submit the card back to PSA and they will refund you your full purchase price on the item. that is part of the protection that comes with buying cards in their holders.

Eh. That might not be exactly true.

Person X sells bad card to person Y at inflated price. Both know it is bad. Person Y takes the card and gets refunded money, both split profits.

They probably assess what fair market value for the card is. At least Beckett does. This is based on surrounding sales and other pointers.

[qdoggmets]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Thanks for clarifying. My name is Jim Parker. I am not hiding anywhere but in plain site and always stand behind what I say, here and elsewhere. I assumed my name was already on all posts....and many people already know who I am. I won't respond further in this thread because i don't want to distract from the key issues being uncovered and discussed.

Edited to add: My net54 post simply warned people to make themselves aware of the massive fraud perpetrated by pwcc that is being uncovered currently as we speak.

That is not enough. You have to have a talk on the telephone like a child.

[TheRealDeal]

Originally Posted by qdoggmets

That is not enough. You have to have a talk on the telephone like a child.

With an unemployed hillbilly drug dealer.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by CardsCollectMe

Crazy how many are here "protecting their investments" by being irrational, nonsensical, delusional and downright demented.

I keep saying so many are hopelessly inured with the present system (yes, note The Matrix reference) that it will almost be impossible to change...for both good actors and bad actors.

Maybe the worst situation will be a compromise that only changes the status quo just a little bit until the next crisis. What’s needed is a complete break from the past, unfortunately.

[SPauthentic84]

How do you guys think Brent and Betsy's week is going?

[glen87]

Originally Posted by SPauthentic84

How do you guys think Brent and Betsy's week is going?

i would say altered, not conserved

[Cubsfanp]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

ahhh ok. if he doesnt know, then we wont either

Looks like whatever it was, has been lifted. I can see his status is fine now.