Ohtani re-tears UCL, will not pitch again this year

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

The only way Ohtani gets into the baseball hall of fame is buying a ticket if he doesn’t pitch again, he’s 29 with 171 career homers. If Ohtani doesn’t pitch again he won’t win another major award in his career.

It is a lamp, you nincompoop, but it's a Major Award. I won it!

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[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

This would be great on a Greeting Card at Hallmark

You remove his pitching stats this year and still definitely a case for him winning MVP (assuming he DH's the rest of the season).
edit: oops, quoted the wrong person.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Turns 30 next year, we have seen how fast Trout has declined. Also look at Trea Turner who turned 30.

Freddie Freeman turned 30 a few years ago. Mookie turned 30 last year too. I wonder if there are more….

[Cards and 401K]

So, I wonder if he had changed his pitching delivery with the finger issue?

Sucks for flippers and collectors alike it's been a nasty week and a half when you add the

Wander issues... Jake degrom is going through a second TJ now at age 35.

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

The only way Ohtani gets into the baseball hall of fame is buying a ticket if he doesn’t pitch again, he’s 29 with 171 career homers. If Ohtani doesn’t pitch again he won’t win another major award in his career.

Seriously? You have to be trolling right?

I would agree if you change it to If Ohtani doesn’t PLAY again he won’t get into the hall.

So at 29 your saying he’s nothing without pitching? Have you even ever looked at his batting? “Only 171 HRs at 29”? That was while splitting his time pitching and focusing on his pitching.

IF he never returns to the mound, he has already shown he can hold his own in the OF. If you want to discredit everything he has done on the mound the last few years, and only go off batting, he is entering his prime.

Let’s assume he signs a ten year contract with someone, doesn’t matter where. He would then need 329 more home runs over that period to get to 500, and as long as the player is clean, it is a safe bet 500 gets you in the hall.

That means he needs an average of 33 HR each year for 500, and he hit 44 this year while focusing on pitching more than hitting. What makes you think he won’t be able to do that?

With Ohtani’s work ethic, talent and drive how is thinking like this even possible?

[Svabinsky78]

Originally Posted by JRX

I could see him going back to being a once a week starter or as others have suggested, he could be like a part time closer.

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I would just hang up the pitching bit and focus on hitting. Pitching is just brutal on the body. That's why folks don't prospect as much with pitchers, generally speaking, longevity is just too unpredictable. Occasionally coming in for an inning to close, maybe, ok, but even with a surgery, if he commits to fully pitching again, he may end up under the knife again.

I think his clearest path to HOF enshrinement is hoping that he stays healthy and continues to get on base consistently for the next ten years. If injuries begin to set in regularly, HOF wise, he may be in the Dale Murphy camp..... Murphy was a phenomenal player for about 7-8 years (2 MVPs, numerous Silver Sluggers, Gold Gloves.....400 HRs, 2100 hits, almost 1300 RBIs in 17 srasons), and then injuries derailed what looked like a no brainier HOF career. Same with Mattingly.

Personally, I think both should be in the HOF, but I don't vote. I wish the best to Ohtani. Seems like a solid guy, definitely a great player, but trying to do too much, while impressive, can be a career killer. Just watch Koufax's retirement press conference.....pitching takes a heavy toll.

[VinnyH]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Smart thing for him would be sign with the Yankees and he becomes their closer. Could see Ohtani hitting 50 homers a year and 40 saves.

Starting to read the thread and have to stop and agree that he may be a closer someday for someone. Basically a hitter 90% of the time then coming in relief at times.
Vinny

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

It's times like these that reinforces my belief that some of you guys are just completely, absolutely, unequivocally, miserable.

Yeesh.

You joined in 2015...and its taken you 8 years to see BO posters are a miserable breed?

I do enjoy that post counts are shown, although I call that score the "misery level" here.

Also, its very evident from people's replies who has a bunch of Ohtani cards and who doesn't.

[SupermanBrandon]

What’s it say about you, if you continue to stick around, have conversations and engage (free willingly)…with a miserable breed?


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[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Turns 30 next year, we have seen how fast Trout has declined. Also look at Trea Turner who turned 30.

Sure, he could decline. He could also rake for the next 2-3 years.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

The only way Ohtani gets into the baseball hall of fame is buying a ticket if he doesn’t pitch again, he’s 29 with 171 career homers. If Ohtani doesn’t pitch again he won’t win another major award in his career.

Does someone piss in your cheerios every day

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Sure, he could decline. He could also rake for the next 2-3 years.

Let’s hope for next 4-5 years


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[packman80]

So how many teams now back out in FA over worries he will not be the same as a pitcher anymore or lower their value of him to that of just as a hitter? Could he now have trouble finding north of $500 million deal?

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by VinnyH

Starting to read the thread and have to stop and agree that he may be a closer someday for someone. Basically a hitter 90% of the time then coming in relief at times.
Vinny

The closer option sounds interesting, but probably not a realistic option. How's he going to warm up if he is due to bat in the eighth? Compromising his warm-up routine would lead to bigger injury risk.

He'd have more value as a less-active starter, i.e., only pitching with 6 or 7 days rest or something like that. Even 10-15 starts per season would have more value and less injury risk than closing.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

So, I wonder if he had changed his pitching delivery with the finger issue?

Sucks for flippers and collectors alike it's been a nasty week and a half when you add the

Wander issues... Jake degrom is going through a second TJ now at age 35.

No actually it's good for collectors if prices soften. Then people who want to collect him will get more value for their money.

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

What’s it say about you, if you continue to stick around, have conversations and engage (free willingly)…with a miserable breed?


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That the hobby, in general, is still enjoyable enough that the miserable sacks can't stop someone from discussing and enjoying it I'd assume.

Never gonna let you down
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna run around and desert you.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Let’s hope for next 4-5 years


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Or longer!!!!!


He's fantastic for baseball and hopefully, he recovers quickly.


Edit: I own ZERO Ohtani cards, but plenty of 2018 unopened wax.

[Cards and 401K]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

No actually it's good for collectors if prices soften. Then people who want to collect him will get more value for their money.

True that, I was thinking about collectors that will need to sell to generate funds for life events. Thank you!

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

What’s it say about you, if you continue to stick around, have conversations and engage (free willingly)…with a miserable breed?


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I'd say that means you are married!

[bloodwings19]

Ohtani should get a 2nd opinion instead of the Angels doctor.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

No actually it's good for collectors if prices soften. Then people who want to collect him will get more value for their money.

I don't think prices will come down much if any time soon. The flippers will hold out refusing to take losses and hope he comes back to form. Look at the Wander thread the flippers and holders are defending him from being a possible pedo because they don't want to see their investment go away.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by bloodwings19

Ohtani should get a 2nd opinion instead of the Angels doctor.

They are getting a second opinion.

[BoSoxFan1999]

If he does get TJS #2, that'll mean he'll be on the shelf (hitting or pitching) a minimum of 6 months. Harper came back after 6 months, but it was obvious he was not fully healed and his power was diminished. I'm guessing a 75% hitter Ohtani could still hit for average and slug 25-30 HRs, but a bummer knowing he wouldn't fully be "back" till 2025 at the earliest.

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

If he does get TJS #2, that'll mean he'll be on the shelf (hitting or pitching) a minimum of 6 months. Harper came back after 6 months, but it was obvious he was not fully healed and his power was diminished. I'm guessing a 75% hitter Ohtani could still hit for average and slug 25-30 HRs, but a bummer knowing he wouldn't fully be "back" till 2025 at the earliest.

Buy the dip!

[Boredlawyer]

If Ohtani never plays another game, never wins another MVP award, never makes the HOF, his autographs and rare parallels will remain exceedingly high based on the lore.

Look at Chien Ming Wang rookie cards and Hideo Nomo autographs.

But if you were currently buying like he was some kind of failproof investment at current prices, you know the old adage about hogs getting slaughtered. Good reminder to always take money off the table if you were up.