PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 62

rngrdanny22 · 05-23-2019, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy917

He’s your typical PSA white knight talking out of his booty. He has no idea how these cards were printed. It’s virtually impossible for the print to look like that with the way these cards were printed.

Yeesh. I've thrown out several ideas that PSA could implement to improve the grading process, yet all you've done is scream "I told you so" every time a new card is posted and bash those who have either (a) graded cards, or (b) purchased graded cards. Name-calling and all.

I've also attempted to step back and take a logical look at the situation by trying to ascertain what could be going on without jumping to the conclusion that "the entire company is corrupt". You've used this opportunity to spread your propaganda against grading that you've apparently been trying to pass off for years. I hate to tell you, but nobody really cares about your opinion against grading and you personally have probably persuaded zero people against it (the work SuperDan and corndog have done, sure, and deservedly so).

rngrdanny22 · 05-23-2019, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy917

Do you know what a lithograph is? An elementary school student with access to Wikipedia could’ve spotted this t206 joke in a slab

Did you really have to take a shot at me while quoting someone else, and then go back and do it another time with my thread quoted?

ThoseBackPages · 05-23-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Yeesh. I've thrown out several ideas that PSA could implement to improve the grading process, yet all you've done is scream "I told you so" every time a new card is posted and bash those who have either (a) graded cards, or (b) purchased graded cards. Name-calling and all.

I've also attempted to step back and take a logical look at the situation by trying to ascertain what could be going on without jumping to the conclusion that "the entire company is corrupt". You've used this opportunity to spread your propaganda against grading that you've apparently been trying to pass off for years. I hate to tell you, but nobody really cares about your opinion against grading and you personally have probably persuaded zero people against it (the work SuperDan and corndog have done, sure, and deservedly so).

he's a wiseguy, smarts aint for him

ThoseBackPages · 05-23-2019, 06:05 PM

he is also the drug dealer that screams how drugs are bad

Wiseguy917 · 05-23-2019, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

he is also the drug dealer that screams how drugs are bad

Gotta make sure my spot in the clouds is reserved

I also own Phillip Morris and Altria stock while bashing smokers, but boy do I love to see those packs fly off the shelf!! I have no problem making money off the ignorant.

corndog · 05-23-2019, 06:59 PM

1933 Goudey Rogers Hornsby #188

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a SGC-5 on July 08, 2018 for $406.99. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1687147
Same card was sold by PWCC as a SGC-7.5 for $1186.00 on January 13, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1886627

SGC let one get by...

Yellow circles identify matching elements
Red circles identify repairs - stains removed

Significant Note: This lie is straight from the listing description of the 7.5: "This comes from a raw collection which we've had the pleasure of brokering pieces from over the years."

3124508 on COMC · 05-23-2019, 07:03 PM

Sold for $1,186.00

3124508 on COMC · 05-23-2019, 07:05 PM

"Raw Collection" = PWCC Marketplace

rcmb3220 · 05-23-2019, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by corndog

1933 Goudey Rogers Hornsby #188

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a SGC-5 on July 08, 2018 for $406.99. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1687147
Same card was sold by PWCC as a SGC-7.5 for an unknown amount on January 13, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1886627

SGC let one get by...

Yellow circles identify matching elements
Red circles identify repairs - stains removed

Significant Note: This lie is straight from the listing description of the 7.5: "This comes from a raw collection which we've had the pleasure of brokering pieces from over the years."

So they’re grading on behalf of Moser. Soon to be grading on behalf of grandma moser.

3124508 on COMC · 05-23-2019, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

So they’re grading on behalf of Moser. Soon to be grading on behalf of grandma moser.

What are the odds on PSA rejecting that card and them still writing that garbage in the description?

What are the odds that they wrote that in the description BECAUSE it was rejected by PSA?

rcmb3220 · 05-23-2019, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

What are the odds on PSA rejecting that card and them still writing that garbage in the description?

What are the odds that they wrote that in the description BECAUSE it was rejected by PSA?

I was just going to add a positive comment about PSA for catching this. This is pretty damning to PWCC.

superdan49 · 05-23-2019, 07:45 PM

Lower right corner of that Hornsby has definitely been repaired, which is not conservation by even the most liberal definition of that term.

I wonder if that description means that Moser is feeding them raw cards and PWCC is submitting to the TPGs on his behalf? If so, that is big time news.

rngrdanny22 · 05-23-2019, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Lower right corner of that Hornsby has definitely been repaired, which is not conservation by even the most liberal definition of that term.

I wonder if that description means that Moser is feeding them raw cards and PWCC is submitting to the TPGs on his behalf? If so, that is big time news.

That would be a bombshell.

superdan49 · 05-23-2019, 07:58 PM

1952 Topps Look 'N See #104 Queen Elizabeth II PSA 6 to PSA 9

Sold on 2/4/2015 as a PSA 6 by eBay seller cookiemonster501 to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $31
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 3/22/2016 as a PSA 9 for $1,131
Value gain of $1,100!

This is yet another trimmed 1952 Topps Look 'N See that's been uncovered, and the second high-grade example of Queen Elizabeth's #104 card. The PSA 6 example, unfortunately, did not come with a photo of the reverse, but there are two unique and distinct paper fibers that allow us to verify that the cards are the same (that and the fact that Moser was the purchaser of the PSA 6).

The red squares show the location of the paper fibers. Both the right and left edge have been trimmed, which allows the corners to be artificially sharpened as a result. This is yet another quick big-money trim from Gary Moser.

PSA 6: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...9&w=990&h=1720
PSA 9: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1258229

pspa123 · 05-23-2019, 07:59 PM

That card is so thin it doesn't pass the laugh test. Yet he knows he can get away with trimming that much it seems. Crazy.

3124508 on COMC · 05-23-2019, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

That card is so thin it doesn't pass the laugh test. Yet he knows he can get away with trimming that much it seems. Crazy.

I posted a Queen Elizabeth that wasn’t that bad, but still not great:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=693

superdan49 · 05-23-2019, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I posted a Queen Elizabeth that wasn’t that bad, but still not great:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=693

I actually reposted your Queen Elizabeth find last night because the "after" image vanished after the PWCC server switch:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1431

God save the Queen!

KhalDrogo · 05-23-2019, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Lower right corner of that Hornsby has definitely been repaired, which is not conservation by even the most liberal definition of that term.

I wonder if that description means that Moser is feeding them raw cards and PWCC is submitting to the TPGs on his behalf? If so, that is big time news.

I believe that is likely the case.

After the DiMaggio scandal, PWCC should have been barred from grading with PSA. Their willingness to eat that loss may have preserved the relationship. However, I hope PSA is examining that relationship again. All eyes are on them now. PWCC is a known submitter of altered cards to PSA. It doesn’t matter if it’s on the behalf of a client. And that arguably makes it worse as they are enabling that individual’s fraud.

3124508 on COMC · 05-23-2019, 08:22 PM

How long until PWCC shuts down their trimmed card servers?

Guesses on where they are located?

superdan49 · 05-23-2019, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

How long until PWCC shuts down their trimmed card servers?

Guesses on where they are located?

tconte · 05-23-2019, 08:29 PM

No! Not the queen too! Is nothing sacred.

Busy day at work today so I missed a lot. The Queen card above is embarassing.
Look how skinny she is!

3124508 on COMC · 05-23-2019, 08:40 PM

Think they’ll want to do a follow up on how this was funded?

https://1859oregonmagazine.com/live/...sign-portland/

pspa123 · 05-23-2019, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tconte

No! Not the queen too! Is nothing sacred.

Busy day at work today so I missed a lot. The Queen card above is embarassing.
Look how skinny she is!

She was young at the time.

rcmb3220 · 05-23-2019, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I believe that is likely the case.

After the DiMaggio scandal, PWCC should have been barred from grading with PSA. Their willingness to eat that loss may have preserved the relationship. However, I hope PSA is examining that relationship again. All eyes are on them now. PWCC is a known submitter of altered cards to PSA. It doesn’t matter if it’s on the behalf of a client. And that arguably makes it worse as they are enabling that individual’s fraud.

Yeah why the hell would they eat the loss when it’s PSA that missed it and PSA that has the guarantee?

I asked rhetorically.

MoreToppsPlease · 05-23-2019, 08:52 PM

I feel like this thread is full of "white hats" that ethically test the boundaries and limits of the grading process...

...I wonder how many "black hats" are taking notes!

05-23-2019, 06:05 PM	#1529
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05-23-2019, 06:59 PM	#1531
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,879	1933 Goudey Rogers Hornsby #188 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a SGC-5 on July 08, 2018 for $406.99. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1687147 Same card was sold by PWCC as a SGC-7.5 for $1186.00 on January 13, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1886627 SGC let one get by... Yellow circles identify matching elements Red circles identify repairs - stains removed Significant Note: This lie is straight from the listing description of the 7.5: "This comes from a raw collection which we've had the pleasure of brokering pieces from over the years." __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 05-23-2019 at 07:41 PM.

05-23-2019, 07:45 PM	#1537
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Lower right corner of that Hornsby has definitely been repaired, which is not conservation by even the most liberal definition of that term. I wonder if that description means that Moser is feeding them raw cards and PWCC is submitting to the TPGs on his behalf? If so, that is big time news. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

05-23-2019, 07:58 PM	#1539
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	1952 Topps Look 'N See #104 Queen Elizabeth II PSA 6 to PSA 9 Sold on 2/4/2015 as a PSA 6 by eBay seller cookiemonster501 to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $31 Consigned to PWCC and sold on 3/22/2016 as a PSA 9 for $1,131 Value gain of $1,100! This is yet another trimmed 1952 Topps Look 'N See that's been uncovered, and the second high-grade example of Queen Elizabeth's #104 card. The PSA 6 example, unfortunately, did not come with a photo of the reverse, but there are two unique and distinct paper fibers that allow us to verify that the cards are the same (that and the fact that Moser was the purchaser of the PSA 6). The red squares show the location of the paper fibers. Both the right and left edge have been trimmed, which allows the corners to be artificially sharpened as a result. This is yet another quick big-money trim from Gary Moser. PSA 6: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...9&w=990&h=1720 PSA 9: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1258229 __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

05-23-2019, 07:03 PM	#1532
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	Sold for $1,186.00

05-23-2019, 07:05 PM	#1533
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	"Raw Collection" = PWCC Marketplace

05-23-2019, 07:59 PM	#1540
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,727	That card is so thin it doesn't pass the laugh test. Yet he knows he can get away with trimming that much it seems. Crazy.

05-23-2019, 08:22 PM	#1544
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	How long until PWCC shuts down their trimmed card servers? Guesses on where they are located?

05-23-2019, 08:29 PM	#1546
tconte Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Marlton, NJ - Less Than an Hour from the Millville Meteor! Posts: 2,036 aconte	No! Not the queen too! Is nothing sacred. Busy day at work today so I missed a lot. The Queen card above is embarassing. Look how skinny she is!

05-23-2019, 08:40 PM	#1547
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	Think they’ll want to do a follow up on how this was funded? https://1859oregonmagazine.com/live/...sign-portland/

05-23-2019, 08:52 PM	#1550
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	I feel like this thread is full of "white hats" that ethically test the boundaries and limits of the grading process... ...I wonder how many "black hats" are taking notes!