2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

I shouldn’t be surprised that so many kids are sheep, but it is still disheartening.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realmolly...16499532218368

That girl is a badass.

[TheFrenzy]

Heading off to get nasally probed.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by pac213up

He is a scapegoat for their dear leader.

When you are in charge of a federal agency and you lie to the nation, you lose credibility and esteem.. The notion that Trump made him lie about masks, of all things, is risible.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

I'm doing the audiobook of "Intellectuals and Society" right now. It's remarkable.

Going to listen through it a second time, then move on to "Discrimination and Disparities".

I think I'm going to start with his new Charter Schools and Their Enemies and then check out some of his older works.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Dielon

At these odds, here are my pics:
I still see don't see Trump to be that much of an underdog, if an underdog at all. This could be a biased opinion, but it is a total wild card. I think the debates could be a disaster either way.
Kamala Harris I think has the chance to be the potential president (hear me out)- she is a woman, a minority, and a neoliberal. In a time where BLM is out for muh racial justice and equity (not equality). The average dem today will do anything to bend the knee to not seem racist. Lets see if Joe steps downs due to 'health concerns' to shoe horn her in. That is my tin foil hat betting take.

That's actually where I sit as well.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

That is an amazing picture.

I wonder if the kneelers realize how they are being manipulated by the media who are pumping BLM right before the election, exactly like they did four years ago.

[mnvikingstwins]

The one with an attractive husband of the standing three had to disable comments on her Instagram, was fairly even of love and hate comments and likes

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

I wonder if the kneelers realize how they are being manipulated by the media who are pumping BLM right before the election, exactly like they did four years ago.

They probably don’t know that six children were shot in Chicago yesterday, because black lives seem to matter much more when a white person can be blamed for political gain.

When you think about it, it really is amazing how easily people can led be led around by the nose.

[tpeichel34]

Support BLM or these “mostly peaceful protestors” may shoot you.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...in-provo-utah/

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

That girl is a badass.

She'll probably get kicked off the team and black balled (no pun intended) from soccer for life by Megan Rapinoe.

[tpeichel34]

If you happen to be named Whit, be very, very careful out there.

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhitStill...98543027507201

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Heading off to get nasally probed.

There are worse probes...

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

There are worse probes...

I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD

Where have you been???

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD

Where have you been???

Snappin necks n cashin checks

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

They probably don’t know that six children were shot in Chicago yesterday, because black lives seem to matter much more when a white person can be blamed for political gain.

When you think about it, it really is amazing how easily people can led be led around by the nose.

There has been a huge list of incredibly stupid right wing talking points the last couple of decades, but this one takes the cake.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

There has been a huge list of incredibly stupid right wing talking points the last couple of decades, but this one takes the cake.

Have you met Chezzy?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

This honestly blows me away. Not this one comment, but the fact that this type of comment is similar to some of the responses I’ve received when I provide the actual statistics. “That’s just your opinion, myannnn.” Or “You’re not black. You don’t understand.”

Why are we as a society so afraid of looking at any sort of evidence that might challenge our beliefs? Should we not seek out that information? The media puts out a few stories and suddenly it’s representative of everything that takes place in America. And somehow there are people left that question the media’s influence when the media narrative that’s driving popular opinion isn't even close to true.

Can anyone with an understanding of psychology explain this to me? Clearly the media knows what works to influence the population, but why are people so easily misled? Is it a desire to feel part of a just cause?

I’m being sincere here, but I’m generally frustrated by this. I want to see black people succeed as much as I want to see anyone else succeed. 90% of my work is in predominately black neighborhoods in Philly. I don’t like the fact that they think they’re being murdered by police at a rate that is disproportionate to other races. That sucks, but the media keeps putting it out there and using anecdotes to prove it. So if we dive into the actual data and can 100% conclude that it’s not true, why are we resistant to that? Why are we holding on to such an ugly narrative when it’s not true?

I'm always open to new/more info and don't just denounce something as someone's opinion that has no validity or something like that. It's hard to know which source to trust for me, though.

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

It may not be a movement for you, but that doesn't take away the fact that for many is a movement. Just because you don't see it that way doesn't change the facts. The facts are that it is a movement and in some ways it's a dangerous movement that sounds like they want superiority not equality. I'm all for equality, but I can't agree when the movement starts pushing the black power type rhetoric.

Very fair points you make.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm glad you like to think it. Whatever offers you comfort.

Thanks my dude!

Originally Posted by DegaBama

But why are they coming out now? Why didn't they come out with the story when it happened, especially if it happened while they were famous. I'm not saying some of it wasn't racial profiling but I also wouldn't be surprised if some of it is an overreaction, too.

I had my car searched multiple times between 16-21 years old. I had a crappy car, lived in the most shady neighborhood in a nice city, and always had 2 to 3 friends with me. We were always in the nice areas because everyone but me lived there. We are all white.

Fast forward to 24, 25 years old and my buddy, who's black, got his car searched. He's well-off, lived in the nicest neighborhood in Michigan, and drives a nice car. He said he was racial profiled, and he may have been, I wasn't there.

However, what is the difference between my situation and his? We were searched for really no reason, but his is a story and if I share my story (which isn't a big deal), I'm told that I have white privilege.

As to your first point, I personally believe a lot of it is coming out now because people want to use their platform they have to seek change. I think (and this is true in things like sexual assault, though I want to add I am not trying to compare the two things) even famous people are afraid to speak up sometimes because they don't think people will believe them or they'll be ostracized.

As to the second point in what you're describing you were both profiled. White privilege is a very real thing, of course it doesn't always matter. Sometimes bad cops are just looking to find trouble anywhere. I have never been pulled over before (I'm 27) but if I was tomorrow I wouldn't be worried. I think that is very much an example of privilege.

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

JustinVerlander:

I’m not trying to convince you to stop thinking black people matter. I’m only asking you to consider that what the media is forcing on us is very far from the truth. Links were posted in here to discussions with black academics on the issue. I listened to them and then continued to go through more of these discussions, not knowing what I was getting into when I fired up the audio. I just hit play and then listened. THESE discussions by black people are what shaped a lot of my current ideas. Just give one of them a try. And if you’re still at the same position, that’s fine, but these guys are brilliant... way smarter than I am in regard to race politics, and probably just about every other thing.

https://youtu.be/rzOApVTfT48

https://youtu.be/V8fndiNZimA

https://youtu.be/Mtjuf_RxsLA

My commute time allows me plenty of time to listen to this stuff. I’d be interested to hear opposing views to what is presented in these videos. I’m begging for it. I want to hear all sides, but the original premise of police brutality skewing black gets blown away by not only these black men, but by the data.

I have the first one playing right now.

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Yeah that Jussie Smollet guy shared his story also. Unless its on video I find it hard to believe these stories. What about the garage door noose a week ago.

The photos show it was a noose, and also that Bubba Wallace was never the person to alert NASCAR. It's not the same thing as Smollet at all.

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Hey, the man said he had to go to work!

I don't know why that is so hard to believe? (I just got home, early I might add).

I open up a kitchen 5-6 days a week. So yes, about 8:30-9AM I get ready to leave for work.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

There has been a huge list of incredibly stupid right wing talking points the last couple of decades, but this one takes the cake.

The thing I don't understand is why BLM doesn't put more focus on things like what happens in Chicago every single day. I'll admit I don't follow them closely and maybe they do put some effort into addressing black on black violence. If so they really should put this concern out in the public eye.
It would seem to me they could eliminate a lot of backlash just by doing so.
I read about children dying every weekend and it breaks my heart.
I'm not saying forget about police brutality towards blacks or sentencing problems, those are important as well. I just think they're missing a major problem that I would think everyone could get behind.
They would be so much better off and taken way more seriously by doing so.

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[JoeTheLucky]

This isn't mine but

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Astros19

The thing I don't understand is why BLM doesn't put more focus on things like what happens in Chicago every single day. I'll admit I don't follow them closely and maybe they do put some effort into addressing black on black violence. If so they really should put this concern out in the public eye.
It would seem to me they could eliminate a lot of backlash just by doing so.
I read about children dying every weekend and it breaks my heart.
I'm not saying forget about police brutality towards blacks or sentencing problems, those are important as well. I just think they're missing a major problem that I would think everyone could get behind.
They would be so much better off and taken way more seriously by doing so.

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I think if you had large protests/marches with tons of media coverage in Chicago by BLM demanding change from the killing of blacks on blacks they might be taken more seriously. I would applaud them.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by Astros19

The thing I don't understand is why BLM doesn't put more focus on things like what happens in Chicago every single day. I'll admit I don't follow them closely and maybe they do put some effort into addressing black on black violence. If so they really should put this concern out in the public eye.
It would seem to me they could eliminate a lot of backlash just by doing so.
I read about children dying every weekend and it breaks my heart.
I'm not saying forget about police brutality towards blacks or sentencing problems, those are important as well. I just think they're missing a major problem that I would think everyone could get behind.
They would be so much better off and taken way more seriously by doing so.

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This argument of focusing on “black on black” crime is usually used as a way to deflect away from police brutality. (Not accusing you of that )Also no one really talks about white on white crime when whites are killed by whites (which is the majority of the time). There’s a lot of reasons why “black on black” crime exists. People usually kill people they know and or live around. Poverty is another huge issue that cannot be solved by blacks alone. The main reason you shouldn’t use that argument is really because this is about police brutality. Throwing black on black crime in the middle of the protests about police brutality just derails the issue. Yes black on black crime is an issue. That’s obviously true. It doesn’t help the goals of fixing police brutality.


There is outrage over Chicago’s violence


https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...hood-steinberg

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I think if you had large protests/marches with tons of media coverage in Chicago by BLM demanding change from the killing of blacks on blacks they might be taken more seriously. I would applaud them.

Agreed. Even if they had added "too" to the name it would be so much more inclusive. It seems as though the organization just refuses to give any credence to anyone that disagrees with anything they say/want or do.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by trixstar

This argument of focusing on “black on black” crime is usually used as a way to deflect away from police brutality. (Not accusing you of that )Also no one really talks about white on white crime when whites are killed by whites (which is the majority of the time). There’s a lot of reasons why “black on black” crime exists. People usually kill people they know and or live around. Poverty is another huge issue that cannot be solved by blacks alone. The main reason you shouldn’t use that argument is really because this is about police brutality. Throwing black on black crime in the middle of the protests about police brutality just derails the issue. Yes black on black crime is an issue. That’s obviously true. It doesn’t help the goals of fixing police brutality.


There is outrage over Chicago’s violence


https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...hood-steinberg

I agree with what you're saying about police brutality, but it shouldn't just be about police brutality against a certain segment of society.
I also understand what your saying about derailing the issue, but I tend to believe the issue has been derailed for a while now. Why not do what you have to to bring folks under your umbrella rather than chase them away?
At the end if the day I would want to find more support for my cause rather than the opposite.

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[TheFrenzy]

Here’s one thing about social movements and their slogans:

Strictly within the context of police brutality, “Black Lives Matter” makes total and complete sense. It’s unmistakeable.

Similarly, within the context of the abortion debate, “Pro-Life” makes total and complete sense.

The problem is when these movements begin to get pulled into the broader culture wars and we suddenly start expecting that their initial slogan be applied everywhere. Suddenly, in the absence of the police brutality context, “Black Lives Matter” sounds exclusive and like a new form of racial favoritism. Meanwhile, we suddenly expect “Pro-Life” people to be opposed to capital punishment, guns, and any kind of military interventions. But that’s not what those slogans were designed for. They’ve been ripped from their original contexts.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by trixstar

This argument of focusing on “black on black” crime is usually used as a way to deflect away from police brutality.

We talk about Chicago and other areas where black on black crime is a problem all the time even when there isn't a story about police issues. It just gets ignored, a lot. It's the biggest deflection I see.