PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 99

Erikthredd · 06-02-2019, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I'm sure PSA is. In fact, it's mostly automated through their Auction Prices Realized tool.

I meant here. I ask because over on the CU forum there are still plenty that think this is nothing more than a low dollar scheme and choose to keep their heads in the sand.

3124508 on COMC · 06-02-2019, 02:36 PM

If anyone has purchased a complete set from PWCC, especially a 48 Leaf one (any sport), I would start looking into any PSA graded cards in the sets. Looks like Moser sold complete sets via PWCC as well.

corndog · 06-02-2019, 02:38 PM

***Posting this from info received from a BO member.

PSA Cert #26646590

1948 Bowman Warren Spahn RC #18

Value gain of $88.56

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-7 on October 12, 2016 for $637.99. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1362187
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $726.55 on March 13, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1436308

PWCC note from the second PSA-7 listing description: "Harshly assessed by PSA and could easily have graded much higher." IE: They didn't get the grade bump they were hoping for...

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify areas of stain/spot/print flaw removal.

3124508 on COMC · 06-02-2019, 02:47 PM

This is in the same sub as the Gehrig and Ruth Goudey cards I posted yesterday.

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...entoryid=18436

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/271927

Value gain: $305.45

KhalDrogo · 06-02-2019, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

PWCC note from the second PSA-7 listing description: "Harshly assessed by PSA and could easily have graded much higher." IE: They didn't get the grade bump they were hoping for...

3124508 on COMC · 06-02-2019, 03:06 PM

PSA: Cards with glued-on corners should not be given numerical grades! We know the corner is glued on because there is what appears to be glue on the pre-Moser copy.

From the same sub as the Mathewson I posted yesterday.

Value gain: $1,800

Also check out the two PWCC descriptions of the same marginal-at-best card.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1339762
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1456988

signed79 · 06-02-2019, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erikthredd

I meant here. I ask because over on the CU forum there are still plenty that think this is nothing more than a low dollar scheme and choose to keep their heads in the sand.

The members there know exactly what is going on. They just don't want to get banned.

3124508 on COMC · 06-02-2019, 03:19 PM

How about some recoloring work? Front is debatable. Back is clear as day. Card has been heavily cleaned too.

In same submission as Mathewson I posted.

Value gain: $796.12

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/236364
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1436163

CaptSpaulding · 06-02-2019, 03:52 PM

I hope people who are reading these PWCC/Moser threads here, on Net54 and CU are looking at their purchases from PWCC to see if they can match photos of their purchases to cards having been in lower graded holders. We need more than 3 people contributing to this process. What has been uncovered so far is the tip of the iceberg. I promise. No card is immune in any grade.

corndog · 06-02-2019, 05:06 PM

PSA Cert #25790349

1948 Bowman Red Schoendienst RC #38

Value gain of TBD

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-5 on February 07, 2016 for $145.19. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1205899
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7.5 for an unknown amount on July 14, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1305274

PWCC note from the PSA-5 listing description: "Some heavy bumps to the bottom edge downgrade."

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify areas of obvious trimming.

imbluestreak23 · 06-02-2019, 05:10 PM

^^
Ouch, that one has half the border on the top and bottom shaved off.

rcmb3220 · 06-02-2019, 05:14 PM

Drink every time the word “exceedingly” is used in a PWCC listing. You’ll get exceedingly drunk in an exceedingly short amount of time.

corndog · 06-02-2019, 05:25 PM

PSA Cert #25580237

1953 Parkhurst Gordie Howe #50

Value gain of TBD

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a KSA-6.5 on February 23, 2016 for an unknown amount. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1214907
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8.5 for $8,600.00 on September 26, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1355313

PWCC note from the PSA-8.5 listing description: "The offered '8.5' is beautifully centered with fantastic white borders and sharp corners. Perhaps what's most impressive about this card are the surfaces, boasting exceptional color and print. An all around stunner which ranks among the best copies we've brokered in our tenure."

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify areas of obvious trimming. Card has also been cleaned as the white borders are much brighter.

imbluestreak23 · 06-02-2019, 05:27 PM

^^
Ouch, that one has a quarter the left and bottom borders shaved off.

Vintage in new slabs are a scam.

corndog · 06-02-2019, 07:59 PM

PSA Cert #26675873

1887 N172 Old Judge James Keenan HANDS ON KNEE

Value gain of $557.50

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-5(MK) on December 06, 2015 for $202.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1192624
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $760.00 on March 12, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1435724

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify areas of stain and ink pen writing removal.

pspa123 · 06-02-2019, 08:07 PM

I can't keep up with all the threads at this point, but outstanding work.

MoreToppsPlease · 06-02-2019, 08:52 PM

PSA and the other grading companies as well as PWCC should be paying a per-card bounty for every fraudulent example uncovered.

...and no, I don’t mean a voucher for free grading.

cking · 06-02-2019, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

^^
Ouch, that one has half the border on the top and bottom shaved off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

^^
Ouch, that one has a quarter the left and bottom borders shaved off.

Vintage in new slabs are a scam.

And yet you still claim grading is legit?

That confuses me.

corndog · 06-02-2019, 09:17 PM

PSA Cert #26675872

1887 N172 Old Judge Timothy Keefe BAT AT READY AT 30 DEGREE

Value gain of $5,360.18

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-4 on September 06, 2016 for $1,240.87. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1339715
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $6,601.05 on March 12, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1435723

PWCC mush from the PSA-7 listing description: "An astronomical rookie era production of this highly notable pre-war HOFer. The single finest example in the hobby and freshly graded by PSA, showing many attributes of an even higher grade. Dead centered with pack fresh surfaces and clean edges abound. This is a museum caliber card, worthy of the finest pre-war collection."

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify areas of large stain removal.

mjohnatgt · 06-02-2019, 09:22 PM

He only claims grading is profitable, as far as I could tell.

3124508 on COMC · 06-02-2019, 09:23 PM

Hey, that Keefe was in my thread.

pitch21 · 06-02-2019, 09:25 PM

Darren Rovell just posted about PWCC on Twitter. Nothing crazy and I’m. Not a big fan of his but he does reach a lot of followers outside of the forums.

imbluestreak23 · 06-02-2019, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cking

And yet you still claim grading is legit?

That confuses me.

Grading is 100% legit when I submit !

Can't vouch for others though. Scammers gonna scam.

imbluestreak23 · 06-02-2019, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

He only claims grading is profitable, as far as I could tell.

Go back to the members feedback section to harass Betsy

Turd Ferguson · 06-03-2019, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitch21

Darren Rovell just posted about PWCC on Twitter. Nothing crazy and I’m. Not a big fan of his but he does reach a lot of followers outside of the forums.

And as much as I am happy to see a high-profile (ish) guy getting the message out, this isn't the guy I'd want. The amazing work done by BODA shouldn't be hampered by a guy who has a documented history of wanting to break news and not do proper research, thereby hurting his credibility. Hopefully other outlets will get wind of this, and soon.

06-02-2019, 02:38 PM	#2453
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,135	*Posting this from info received from a BO member. PSA Cert #26646590 1948 Bowman Warren Spahn RC #18 Value gain of $88.56 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-7 on October 12, 2016 for $637.99. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1362187 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $726.55 on March 13, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1436308 PWCC note from the second PSA-7 listing description: "Harshly assessed by PSA and could easily have graded much higher." IE: They didn't get the grade bump they were hoping for... Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red squares identify areas of stain/spot/print flaw removal. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.** Last edited by corndog; 06-03-2019 at 08:45 PM.

06-02-2019, 05:06 PM	#2460
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,135	PSA Cert #25790349 1948 Bowman Red Schoendienst RC #38 Value gain of TBD This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-5 on February 07, 2016 for $145.19. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1205899 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7.5 for an unknown amount on July 14, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1305274 PWCC note from the PSA-5 listing description: "Some heavy bumps to the bottom edge downgrade." Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red squares identify areas of obvious trimming. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 06-03-2019 at 08:46 PM.

06-02-2019, 05:10 PM	#2461
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,794 shortslabs	^^ Ouch, that one has half the border on the top and bottom shaved off. __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

06-02-2019, 05:25 PM	#2463
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,135	PSA Cert #25580237 1953 Parkhurst Gordie Howe #50 Value gain of TBD This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a KSA-6.5 on February 23, 2016 for an unknown amount. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1214907 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8.5 for $8,600.00 on September 26, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1355313 PWCC note from the PSA-8.5 listing description: "The offered '8.5' is beautifully centered with fantastic white borders and sharp corners. Perhaps what's most impressive about this card are the surfaces, boasting exceptional color and print. An all around stunner which ranks among the best copies we've brokered in our tenure." Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red squares identify areas of obvious trimming. Card has also been cleaned as the white borders are much brighter. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 06-03-2019 at 08:46 PM.

06-02-2019, 05:27 PM	#2464
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,794 shortslabs	^^ Ouch, that one has a quarter the left and bottom borders shaved off. Vintage in new slabs are a scam. __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

06-02-2019, 02:36 PM	#2452
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	If anyone has purchased a complete set from PWCC, especially a 48 Leaf one (any sport), I would start looking into any PSA graded cards in the sets. Looks like Moser sold complete sets via PWCC as well.

06-02-2019, 02:47 PM	#2454
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	This is in the same sub as the Gehrig and Ruth Goudey cards I posted yesterday. http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...entoryid=18436 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/271927 Value gain: $305.45

06-02-2019, 03:06 PM	#2456
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	PSA: Cards with glued-on corners should not be given numerical grades! We know the corner is glued on because there is what appears to be glue on the pre-Moser copy. From the same sub as the Mathewson I posted yesterday. Value gain: $1,800 Also check out the two PWCC descriptions of the same marginal-at-best card. https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1339762 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1456988

06-02-2019, 03:19 PM	#2458
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	How about some recoloring work? Front is debatable. Back is clear as day. Card has been heavily cleaned too. In same submission as Mathewson I posted. Value gain: $796.12 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/236364 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1436163

06-02-2019, 03:52 PM	#2459
CaptSpaulding Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,458	I hope people who are reading these PWCC/Moser threads here, on Net54 and CU are looking at their purchases from PWCC to see if they can match photos of their purchases to cards having been in lower graded holders. We need more than 3 people contributing to this process. What has been uncovered so far is the tip of the iceberg. I promise. No card is immune in any grade.

06-02-2019, 05:14 PM	#2462
rcmb3220 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 4,136	Drink every time the word “exceedingly” is used in a PWCC listing. You’ll get exceedingly drunk in an exceedingly short amount of time.

06-02-2019, 07:59 PM	#2465
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,135	PSA Cert #26675873 1887 N172 Old Judge James Keenan HANDS ON KNEE Value gain of $557.50 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-5(MK) on December 06, 2015 for $202.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1192624 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $760.00 on March 12, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1435724 Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red squares identify areas of stain and ink pen writing removal. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 06-03-2019 at 08:46 PM.

06-02-2019, 08:07 PM	#2466
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,740	I can't keep up with all the threads at this point, but outstanding work.

06-02-2019, 08:52 PM	#2467
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	‘52 Mantle PWCC auction PSA and the other grading companies as well as PWCC should be paying a per-card bounty for every fraudulent example uncovered. ...and no, I don’t mean a voucher for free grading. __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

06-02-2019, 09:17 PM	#2469
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,135	PSA Cert #26675872 1887 N172 Old Judge Timothy Keefe BAT AT READY AT 30 DEGREE Value gain of $5,360.18 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-4 on September 06, 2016 for $1,240.87. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1339715 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $6,601.05 on March 12, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1435723 PWCC mush from the PSA-7 listing description: "An astronomical rookie era production of this highly notable pre-war HOFer. The single finest example in the hobby and freshly graded by PSA, showing many attributes of an even higher grade. Dead centered with pack fresh surfaces and clean edges abound. This is a museum caliber card, worthy of the finest pre-war collection." Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red squares identify areas of large stain removal. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 06-03-2019 at 08:47 PM.

06-02-2019, 09:22 PM	#2470
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,705 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	He only claims grading is profitable, as far as I could tell.

06-02-2019, 09:23 PM	#2471
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	Hey, that Keefe was in my thread.

06-02-2019, 09:25 PM	#2472
pitch21 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: IA Posts: 2,285 pitch2021	Darren Rovell just posted about PWCC on Twitter. Nothing crazy and I’m. Not a big fan of his but he does reach a lot of followers outside of the forums. __________________ http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/pitch2021/library/?view=recent&page=1