Heritage Auctions Selling Trimmed SGC 8 1933 Sport Kings Ruth, Previously an SGC 4

3124508 on COMC · 11-30-2020, 11:44 PM

EDIT 4/1/21: Card is now live at Heritage. I didn't receive any response to my message indicating that the card has been trimmed. (Note: This is not the same trimmed SGC 8 Sport Kings Ruth that was pulled from a recent REA auction. That copy is here: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1425669)

Auction link: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

Card isn't on the market, but I just happened to see it while going through sales due to the distinctive mark on the back. Nice jump from a 4 to an 8 thanks to the cleaning and trimming. Last sale of the untrimmed card I can find was by Heritage on October 24, 2012 for $4,182.50. The first trimmed sale I can find was by Love of the Game on November 2, 2014 for $14,400.00.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

https://loveofthegameauctions.com/Lo...ventoryid=4110

superdan49 · 11-30-2020, 11:46 PM

Nice find. Minor recoloring on Ruth's cheeks as well?

3124508 on COMC · 11-30-2020, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Nice find. Minor recoloring on Ruth's cheeks as well?

I was going to go with minor recoloring on the black nameplate.

pip · 11-30-2020, 11:55 PM

Yes. Both cheeks and name plate show signs of recoloring.

Archangel1775 · 12-01-2020, 12:01 AM

Jeez, this is getting stupid. That's some seriously pro work with the time and effort...heck for the ones altering and the detective work to find it.

pip · 12-01-2020, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Jeez, this is getting stupid. That's some seriously pro work with the time and effort...heck for the ones altering and the detective work to find it.

Many of these alterations would be fairly obvious with the card in hand. Why then, do TPGs so miserably fail? This shouldn't be rocket science for an experienced grader. There are other considerations in play here.

superdan49 · 12-01-2020, 12:12 AM

Interestingly, Al from Love of the Game (first documented sale of this trimmed Ruth) came out with a very strong anti-trimming statement in June 2019:
https://lotgauctions.blog/2019/06/05...game-auctions/

He said "[W]e are grateful to those hobbyists who discovered the magnitude of the problem and brought it to light. It is our hope that those responsible are prosecuted."

Hopefully Al or someone from LOTG will reveal the name of the consignor so more information about who trimmed this card can come to light.

Bruins1993 · 12-01-2020, 12:24 AM

Nice find 3124508 on COMC! Great presentation on the before/after trimming.

SGC knows the submitter.

LOTG knows the consigner and buyer.

wcardguy · 12-01-2020, 12:36 PM

The real shame with these cards is that if/when they are found to be trimmed, a big proportion of them are going to be either effectively or literally taken out of circulation. Which is a shame as there are so few of them left.

GatorPie · 12-01-2020, 12:40 PM

Jeebus on THREE sides! That's ambitious even for these turds.

I would think it would be obvious under magnification that one edge of that card is significantly different than the other 3. A freshly-cut edge compared to a 90-year-old edge should be an easy spot, and it's a must for a high-dollar card like this. It's either gross incompetence (bad) or corruption (even worse). One or the other.

CaptSpaulding · 12-01-2020, 12:47 PM

Gee the fellas at SGC might want to retake that course in identifying alterations on Sport Kings.

pip · 12-01-2020, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Gee the fellas at SGC might want to retake that course in identifying alterations on Sport Kings.

If the card wasn't owned by an employee at SGC then I'd put them in the same category as Beckett. Incompetent.

CaptSpaulding · 12-01-2020, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

If the card wasn't owned by an employee at SGC then I'd put them in the same category as Beckett. Incompetent.

Honestly at this point is there really any difference between PSA, SGC and Beckett? Only thing that makes PSA king is the registry. SGC and PSA absolutely know how to grade and id alterations but they both seem to fail miserably at the one thing they are paid to do and 999 times out of 1000 it has nothing to do with human error or the alteration being so awesome that they missed it.

3124508 on COMC · 03-18-2021, 07:38 PM

The new PWCC is selling this in their upcoming auction. The list of obviously altered cards grows. Buyer beware.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

pip · 03-18-2021, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

The new PWCC is selling this in their upcoming auction. The list of obviously altered cards grows. Buyer beware.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

Heritage is a well-financed company with some good people at the top. Really surprised they would intentionally and knowingly resort to selling so many altered cards. Why don't some of the ex-TPG graders there say or do something? You're right. They're entering into the realm of PWCC infamy.

3124508 on COMC · 03-18-2021, 09:05 PM

Heritage is on notice.

Neal · 03-18-2021, 09:14 PM

that is a forman special ....

Bruins1993 · 03-18-2021, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Nice find 3124508 on COMC! Great presentation on the before/after trimming.

SGC knows the submitter.

LOTG knows the consigner and buyer.

SGC knows BOTH submitters.

vintg · 03-19-2021, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Heritage is on notice.

great work as always !!!

also, they did offer you a chance to take an online survey an win a prize,

so all is not lost. LOL

3124508 on COMC · 03-24-2021, 04:47 PM

Looks like the recolored Jackie has been pulled but this one is still set to go live next week, so to the top it goes.

3124508 on COMC · 04-01-2021, 05:25 PM

This card is live now live at Heritage: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

Buyer beware.

pspa123 · 04-01-2021, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

This card is live now live at Heritage: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

Buyer beware.

Down. Nice work.

3124508 on COMC · 04-01-2021, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Down. Nice work.

What makes you say that? Auction still appears active to me, though I’m not logged in.

pspa123 · 04-01-2021, 08:03 PM

Hmmmm. It wasn't working before so I assumed...

3124508 on COMC · 04-01-2021, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Hmmmm. It wasn't working before so I assumed...

Your link on your Net54 thread is bad. You copied the text from here as opposed to the actual URL and since BO uses ellipses to shorten links, it’s not the right URL.

11-30-2020, 11:44 PM	#1
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,095	Heritage Auctions Selling Trimmed SGC 8 1933 Sport Kings Ruth, Previously an SGC 4 EDIT 4/1/21: Card is now live at Heritage. I didn't receive any response to my message indicating that the card has been trimmed. (Note: This is not the same trimmed SGC 8 Sport Kings Ruth that was pulled from a recent REA auction. That copy is here: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1425669) Auction link: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515 Card isn't on the market, but I just happened to see it while going through sales due to the distinctive mark on the back. Nice jump from a 4 to an 8 thanks to the cleaning and trimming. Last sale of the untrimmed card I can find was by Heritage on October 24, 2012 for $4,182.50. The first trimmed sale I can find was by Love of the Game on November 2, 2014 for $14,400.00. https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515 https://loveofthegameauctions.com/Lo...ventoryid=4110 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 04-01-2021 at 05:36 PM. Reason: Typo

11-30-2020, 11:46 PM	#2
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,227	Nice find. Minor recoloring on Ruth's cheeks as well? __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

12-01-2020, 12:01 AM	#5
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 20,232	Jeez, this is getting stupid. That's some seriously pro work with the time and effort...heck for the ones altering and the detective work to find it. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

12-01-2020, 12:12 AM	#7
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,227	Interestingly, Al from Love of the Game (first documented sale of this trimmed Ruth) came out with a very strong anti-trimming statement in June 2019: https://lotgauctions.blog/2019/06/05...game-auctions/ He said "[W]e are grateful to those hobbyists who discovered the magnitude of the problem and brought it to light. It is our hope that those responsible are prosecuted." Hopefully Al or someone from LOTG will reveal the name of the consignor so more information about who trimmed this card can come to light. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

12-01-2020, 12:24 AM	#8
Bruins1993 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Stuck inside of Mobile Posts: 1,278	Nice find 3124508 on COMC! Great presentation on the before/after trimming. SGC knows the submitter. LOTG knows the consigner and buyer. __________________ #nevergetcheated Riiiiiiiiight

11-30-2020, 11:55 PM	#4
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,000	Yes. Both cheeks and name plate show signs of recoloring.

12-01-2020, 12:36 PM	#9
wcardguy Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 322	The real shame with these cards is that if/when they are found to be trimmed, a big proportion of them are going to be either effectively or literally taken out of circulation. Which is a shame as there are so few of them left.

12-01-2020, 12:40 PM	#10
GatorPie Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 1,186	Jeebus on THREE sides! That's ambitious even for these turds. I would think it would be obvious under magnification that one edge of that card is significantly different than the other 3. A freshly-cut edge compared to a 90-year-old edge should be an easy spot, and it's a must for a high-dollar card like this. It's either gross incompetence (bad) or corruption (even worse). One or the other. Last edited by GatorPie; 12-01-2020 at 01:03 PM.

12-01-2020, 12:47 PM	#11
CaptSpaulding Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,418	Gee the fellas at SGC might want to retake that course in identifying alterations on Sport Kings.

03-18-2021, 07:38 PM	#14
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,095	The new PWCC is selling this in their upcoming auction. The list of obviously altered cards grows. Buyer beware. https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

03-18-2021, 09:05 PM	#16
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,095	Heritage is on notice. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

03-18-2021, 09:14 PM	#17
Neal Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,816 1420sports	that is a forman special .... __________________ collecting vintage sports cards and Star Wars .... with a touch of modern and ultra modern

03-24-2021, 04:47 PM	#20
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,095	Looks like the recolored Jackie has been pulled but this one is still set to go live next week, so to the top it goes. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

04-01-2021, 05:25 PM	#21
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,095	This card is live now live at Heritage: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515 Buyer beware. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

04-01-2021, 08:03 PM	#24
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,537	Hmmmm. It wasn't working before so I assumed... __________________ "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity." Opening narration, The Outer Limits.