Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip?

[cruiserdaddy7]

I've been reading(gaming area here) and watching the videos about the Logan Paul Pokemon case authenticated by BBCE that many are saying is fake/bad case.

If this turns out to be true, will that take down values on alot of the products that have their wrap on them? A $3.5 million dollar error certainly would be a big one.

[Biohazarddfl]

I would say that they will take a dip. I can't personally hold them in the same esteem at this point.

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[MoreToppsPlease]

Values set by authentication and grading were never primarily based on accuracy to begin with.

[anusinha]

Its a bit of egg on their face, but they do state that they arent TCG experts. I do find the practice of opening a case and checking to see if the boxes are intact and then sealing it up to be a bit odd.

[k13]

Do PSA cards take a dip with all the fakes they grade?

[KhalDrogo]

Pokemon? Absolutely. Sports? Probably not. Although I’d be examining my BBCE wrapped stuff very closely.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Its a bit of egg on their face, but they do state that they arent TCG experts. I do find the practice of opening a case and checking to see if the boxes are intact and then sealing it up to be a bit odd.

If I’m not mistaken, a sealed case isn’t even opened…..is this correct?

On the site it says if it’s a factory sealed case, they are processed quickly and it’s just verified they are still originally sealed, and if so it goes right off to wrapping/shipping. It says when the case is not sealed that the boxes/packs are checked.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Pokemon? Absolutely. Sports? Probably not. Although I’d be examining my BBCE wrapped stuff very closely.

They authenticated a searched box of 1982 Fleer not that long ago. It had one pack (probably the one with the Ripken RC) replaced with a pack of 1981 Fleer. I don't know why anyone would pay a premium for their opinion.

[AnthonyT]

At the end of the day, if I am buying early 80's or 70's wax, I would trust BBCE before I trust eBay.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by rats60

They authenticated a searched box of 1982 Fleer not that long ago. It had one pack (probably the one with the Ripken RC) replaced with a pack of 1981 Fleer. I don't know why anyone would pay a premium for their opinion.

There’s a difference between making a mistake and doing something that you are clearly not qualified to do.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by rats60

They authenticated a searched box of 1982 Fleer not that long ago. It had one pack (probably the one with the Ripken RC) replaced with a pack of 1981 Fleer. I don't know why anyone would pay a premium for their opinion.

Unless you have questions about their integrity, I’d think their FASC stuff isn’t going to be an issue.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

I've been reading(gaming area here) and watching the videos about the Logan Paul Pokemon case authenticated by BBCE that many are saying is fake/bad case.

If this turns out to be true, will that take down values on alot of the products that have their wrap on them? A $3.5 million dollar error certainly would be a big one.

Nope — but it certainly won’t help, either

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Its a bit of egg on their face, but they do state that they arent TCG experts. I do find the practice of opening a case and checking to see if the boxes are intact and then sealing it up to be a bit odd.

So if not an expert, why put your name on it to begin with? It seems Steve wanted to be associated with the celebrity and the item and verified something he isn't qualified to verify. That's concerning.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by rats60

They authenticated a searched box of 1982 Fleer not that long ago. It had one pack (probably the one with the Ripken RC) replaced with a pack of 1981 Fleer. I don't know why anyone would pay a premium for their opinion.

For the ‘prior to all wax being factory shrink wrapped’ Boxes, BBCE may not be perfect, but it’s the best thing out there right now, and 10 million times better than a seller simply saying “trust me”

[BOOMER7]

I’ve sold BBCE ( Steve) many cases and boxes over the last 25 years. Always a very positive experience and never an issue. He’s one of the most knowledgeable guys in the wax game.

[DynaEtch]

If it turns out to be not legit, we are talking about a $3.5 million authentication and that is not a good look at all. In the article on Pokebeach, they contrast this authentication to an example of another big ticket/controversial item in a super rare pokemon prototype card authenticated by CGC- in that process, CGC provided a very sophisticated, transparent analysis with all the forensic details about the item, displayed right on their site in an article, explaining things beyond any reasonable doubt- I like that transparency, and it worked well for that authentication. The only thing I noticed about this pokemon case is it seemed to be all closed door.

Maybe someone else knows more about this, but I'm under the assumption that sealed cases are authenticated without opening the case, which is strange imo. A question to the science people: could an x-ray or mri machine aimed at a case like this show what's inside, even very roughly? I wondered if the type of box would be able to be discerned.

[jw8]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

If it turns out to be not legit, we are talking about a $3.5 million authentication and that is not a good look at all. In the article on Pokebeach, they contrast this authentication to an example of another big ticket/controversial item in a super rare pokemon prototype card authenticated by CGC- in that process, CGC provided a very sophisticated, transparent analysis with all the forensic details about the item, displayed right on their site in an article, explaining things beyond any reasonable doubt- I like that transparency, and it worked well for that authentication. The only thing I noticed about this pokemon case is it seemed to be all closed door.



Maybe someone else knows more about this, but I'm under the assumption that sealed cases are authenticated without opening the case, which is strange imo. A question to the science people: could an x-ray or mri machine aimed at a case like this show what's inside, even very roughly? I wondered if the type of box would be able to be discerned.

I thought I heard Jacob say that the case was x-rayed by bbce as part of the authentication process. Think it was in the video when they are selling the case to shyne.

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[rms13]

With all the money in cards now and shenanigans that go along with it I wouldn’t feel 100% confident in case/box unless I bought it directly from the manufacturer. Definitely a big leap of faith to buy something for $3.5 million off eBay.

[DioBrando]

I had no idea a case of Pokémon cards was anywhere near that valuable.

[mrb842]

Originally Posted by jw8

I thought I heard Jacob say that the case was x-rayed by bbce as part of the authentication process. Think it was in the video when they are selling the case to shyne.

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It's a guy in a warehouse not the fbi crime lab.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Here is the link from the gaming post.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1500649

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

There’s a difference between making a mistake and doing something that you are clearly not qualified to do.

Exactly, not sure why he would grade something he said he didn't know about.

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

So if not an expert, why put your name on it to begin with? It seems Steve wanted to be associated with the celebrity and the item and verified something he isn't qualified to verify. That's concerning.

That could be one of the reasons for sure.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

If it turns out to be not legit, we are talking about a $3.5 million authentication and that is not a good look at all. In the article on Pokebeach, they contrast this authentication to an example of another big ticket/controversial item in a super rare pokemon prototype card authenticated by CGC- in that process, CGC provided a very sophisticated, transparent analysis with all the forensic details about the item, displayed right on their site in an article, explaining things beyond any reasonable doubt- I like that transparency, and it worked well for that authentication. The only thing I noticed about this pokemon case is it seemed to be all closed door.

The closed door part is what seems so shady.

[HarryLime]

Steve is kind of like the CIA -- you never hear about his successes (when he identifies a doctored case and refuses to wrap it), just about when he (allegedly, possibly) made a mistake.

What's the proof that the case is bad? Is it just a bunch of armchair hobby masters arbitrarily throwing out theories because they're good message board fodder? Steve has authenticated '86 Fleer basketball cases and other wildly expensive pieces of hobby material and there's no one else anyone can point to and say "THAT person has more experience and knowledge at authenticating unopened than Steve Hart."

Sure, he's had a few boo-boos along the way but they've always led to a deeper understanding of the unopened landscape and always led to "Well, we won't make that mistake again."

If you want irrefutable absolutes, get into conspiracy theories. It's basically just a bunch of people who say "I'm not sure I understand your explanation so I'm going to create a completely fictitious story to explain it because I cannot live with uncertainty.

Arthur

[jduds]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Steve is kind of like the CIA -- you never hear about his successes (when he identifies a doctored case and refuses to wrap it), just about when he (allegedly, possibly) made a mistake.

What's the proof that the case is bad? Is it just a bunch of armchair hobby masters arbitrarily throwing out theories because they're good message board fodder? Steve has authenticated '86 Fleer basketball cases and other wildly expensive pieces of hobby material and there's no one else anyone can point to and say "THAT person has more experience and knowledge at authenticating unopened than Steve Hart."

Sure, he's had a few boo-boos along the way but they've always led to a deeper understanding of the unopened landscape and always led to "Well, we won't make that mistake again."

If you want irrefutable absolutes, get into conspiracy theories. It's basically just a bunch of people who say "I'm not sure I understand your explanation so I'm going to create a completely fictitious story to explain it because I cannot live with uncertainty.

Arthur

The problem is the so-called armchair experts found things that the expert should have. Everyone makes mistakes, but this was a biggie.

[jw8]

Originally Posted by mrb842

It's a guy in a warehouse not the fbi crime lab.

https://youtu.be/qWoVv8Ko1EA

Skip to 21:37 - Jacob talks about the bbce authentication process and specifically mentions x-ray machine

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[awz50]

Its all a scam