PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 16

astrotrevor · 05-05-2019, 07:28 PM

nevermind

3124508 on COMC · 05-05-2019, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Great work on the 48 L Musial! Had a hunch so I decided to see if I was right.

Here is a screen cap I just took.

Here is the buyer's ID https://www.ebay.com/usr/whitman111

Should I start pulling all those PWCC items so we can have some fun?

KhalDrogo · 05-05-2019, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Great work on the 48 L Musial! Had a hunch so I decided to see if I was right.

Here is a screen cap I just took.

Here is the buyer's ID https://www.ebay.com/usr/whitman111

Well done.

Are we certain that Ruth is the same card? I see some similarities and some differences.

superdan49 · 05-05-2019, 07:41 PM

Ruth cards are not the same.

CaptSpaulding · 05-05-2019, 07:41 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true This was won by a buyer with 3805 feedback.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true Here it is once it was relisted.

Rooftop · 05-05-2019, 07:44 PM

PWCC is in serious trouble

superdan49 · 05-05-2019, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Great work on the 48 L Musial! Had a hunch so I decided to see if I was right.

Here is a screen cap I just took.

Here is the buyer's ID https://www.ebay.com/usr/whitman111

Great work, Capt. We can confirm that whitman111 purchased the 1948-9 Leaf Musial BGS 6 from cardsandbrowns for $1,600 on November 11, 2017.

Here is a screencap of whitman111's eBay FB to confirm:

3124508 on COMC · 05-05-2019, 07:47 PM

Who is it? My Googling is failing me. Sound like a d-bag from their feedback left though.

mjohnatgt · 05-05-2019, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Ruth cards are not the same.

Definitely not the same. PSA cert number is from 10-20 years ago.

KhalDrogo · 05-05-2019, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true This was won by a buyer with 3805 feedback.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true Here it is once it was relisted.

Fixed the corners? Doesn't look trimmed to me, but the corners look improved in the PSA 8 slab.

3124508 on COMC · 05-05-2019, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Fixed the corners? Doesn't look trimmed to me, but the corners look improved in the PSA 8 slab.

"Conservation"

KhalDrogo · 05-05-2019, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

"Conservation"

Is it possible that someone on the inside at PWCC is giving certain parties an opinion on the likelihood that certain cards can be touched up? That Tosi in the PSA 6 slab looks beautiful minus the centering and the corners. A little bit of probable corner work turned a $2924 sale into a $21700 sale. PWCC gets $233 from the first sale, and $1736 from the second sale.

SaltyCracker · 05-05-2019, 07:59 PM

Those with twitter should start sending these threads to the correspondents at real sports or 60 minutes. I don’t have any form of social media or I would. This is incredible work you all are doing to put in the time and effort.

pspa123 · 05-05-2019, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Is it possible that someone on the inside at PWCC is giving certain parties an opinion on the likelihood that certain cards can be touched up? That Tosi in the PSA 6 slab looks beautiful minus the centering and the corners. A little bit of probable corner work turned a $2924 sale into a $21700 sale. PWCC gets $233 from the first sale, and $1736 from the second sale.

It isn't even necessary to a card doctor with that skill level, he can make the determination from a large and high res scan.

3124508 on COMC · 05-05-2019, 08:01 PM

My turn!

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30

KhalDrogo · 05-05-2019, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Great work, Capt. We can confirm that whitman111 purchased the 1948-9 Leaf Musial BGS 6 from cardsandbrowns for $1,600 on November 11, 2017.

Here is a screencap of whitman111's eBay FB to confirm:

I am going to have a field day with this guy's recent purchases.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-55-Par...orig_cvip=true

mrdallas · 05-05-2019, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true This was won by a buyer with 3805 feedback.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true Here it is once it was relisted.

PWCC screwed someone out of 19K. And I love how in the second auction these dirtbags state
The first PSA 8 ever auctioned.

Knowing damn well the same card was auctioned 4 months earlier as a PSA-6.
Salt of the Earth guys. Salt of the Earth.

What is going to happen is PWCC has a fall guy and someone on the inside will go down. Brent will claim he was unaware of what was going on but he has handled the situation. Wipe his hands and then either ride into the sunset or rinse and repeat. Too much $$ for them to walk away IMO

pspa123 · 05-05-2019, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdallas

PWCC screwed someone out of 19K. And I love how in the second auction these dirtbags state
The first PSA 8 ever auctioned.

Knowing damn well the same card was auctioned 4 months earlier as a PSA-6.
Salt of the Earth guys. Salt of the Earth.

What is going to happen is PWCC has a fall guy and someone on the inside will go down. Brent will claim he was unaware of what was going on but he has handled the situation. Wipe his hands and then either ride into the sunset or rinse and repeat. Too much $$ for them to walk away IMO

That will be hard to do if he and Whitman111 go back decades.

tconte · 05-05-2019, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Who is it? My Googling is failing me. Sound like a d-bag from their feedback left though.

Bad news!

corndog · 05-05-2019, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true This was won by a buyer with 3805 feedback.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true Here it is once it was relisted.

An $18,000 increase going from a PSA-6 to a PSA-8.

Don't see any trimming so it must have undergone "conservation"...

Without any doubt the same card - fibers match on the back.

Sold by PWCC

3124508 on COMC · 05-05-2019, 08:35 PM

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...0&mPg=2&page=2

Fisheye in blue on back in same place. Dark dot under Stooges on back of both.

ark8085 · 05-05-2019, 08:36 PM

This is getting ugly.. these guys have destroyed tons of cards and they probably think they are doing a good thing. Unbelievable! Big changes have to come from this...

superdan49 · 05-05-2019, 08:39 PM

How can a card be minimum sized and then be okay when resubmitted? The 3 Stooges card lends credence to the belief that PSA does not normally measure cards.

3124508 on COMC · 05-05-2019, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

How can a card be minimum sized and then be okay when resubmitted? The 3 Stooges card lends credence to the belief that PSA does not normally measure cards.

Because if it isn't in a ISA case, nobody cares to measure.

rcmb3220 · 05-05-2019, 08:53 PM

The market peaked today

05-05-2019, 07:28 PM	#376
astrotrevor Member Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 413	nevermind Last edited by astrotrevor; 05-05-2019 at 08:29 PM. Reason: pic

05-05-2019, 07:41 PM	#379
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Ruth cards are not the same. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

05-05-2019, 08:39 PM	#398
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	How can a card be minimum sized and then be okay when resubmitted? The 3 Stooges card lends credence to the belief that PSA does not normally measure cards. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

05-05-2019, 07:41 PM	#380
CaptSpaulding Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,461	https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true This was won by a buyer with 3805 feedback. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Nation...orig_cvip=true Here it is once it was relisted.

05-05-2019, 07:44 PM	#381
Rooftop Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,582	PWCC is in serious trouble

05-05-2019, 07:47 PM	#383
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,447	Who is it? My Googling is failing me. Sound like a d-bag from their feedback left though.

05-05-2019, 07:59 PM	#388
SaltyCracker Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,472	Those with twitter should start sending these threads to the correspondents at real sports or 60 minutes. I don’t have any form of social media or I would. This is incredible work you all are doing to put in the time and effort.

05-05-2019, 08:01 PM	#390
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,447	My turn! https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30

05-05-2019, 08:35 PM	#396
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,447	https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...0&mPg=2&page=2 Fisheye in blue on back in same place. Dark dot under Stooges on back of both.

05-05-2019, 08:36 PM	#397
ark8085 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Ct Posts: 1,979 Redic211	This is getting ugly.. these guys have destroyed tons of cards and they probably think they are doing a good thing. Unbelievable! Big changes have to come from this...

05-05-2019, 08:53 PM	#400
rcmb3220 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 4,136	The market peaked today