PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 120

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 02:25 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...4&w=960&h=1686

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1816506

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 02:33 PM

Close call with top edge on this one but I haven't traced back one yet that has been untrimmed.

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...53&w=400&h=369

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/169654

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 02:49 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...85&w=233&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1131285

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 02:54 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...02&w=243&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/230755

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 03:02 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...9&w=944&h=1720

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1816507

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 03:11 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...0&w=568&h=1120

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1430085

pgconboy · 06-15-2019, 06:31 PM

I'm looking to buy a Fletcher Cox auto rookie, specifically in a college jersey and this one caught my eye. Given the recent PWCC scandal I thought i'd take a peek.
Does this card look like it had a top left cleaning, and maybe a slight haircut off the top and possibly right border?

Auction: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-U...W&LH_Auction=1

Historical: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...old-1907155892

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 06:35 PM

Don't see any trimming here, but putting here for future reference as this is a Moser sub.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1282329
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1593588

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 06:47 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...66&w=400&h=420

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1312835

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgconboy

I'm looking to buy a Fletcher Cox auto rookie, specifically in a college jersey and this one caught my eye. Given the recent PWCC scandal I thought i'd take a peek.
Does this card look like it had a top left cleaning, and maybe a slight haircut off the top and possibly right border?

Auction: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-U...W&LH_Auction=1

Historical: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...old-1907155892

Looking into this now. Will edit this post.

Edit: Agree scans look strange, but the PSA sub this card is in is full of 7s and 8s on modern cards. Therefore, I would say it is likely not altered.

pgconboy · 06-15-2019, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Looking into this now. Will edit this post.

Edit: Agree scans look strange, but the PSA sub this card is in is full of 7s and 8s on modern cards. Therefore, I would say it is likely not altered.

Fair enough, thanks for looking. Though in the auction they do brag a bit, "Population 1 of 1 - None Graded Higher".

corndog · 06-15-2019, 07:03 PM

PSA Cert #40751258

1950 Bowman Elroy Hirsch RC #52

Value gain of $1,994.64

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-5 on December 18, 2017 for $130.39. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1593610
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $2,125.00 on June 21, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1676909

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Don't have any red squares. The same card received a 4 point grade bump and I cannot see why. The corners look a little sharper. There may have been creases. There is no mention of flaws in the listing description. Moser did something and/or PSA is woefully incapable of grading with trust. Posting this because of the enormous monetary gain in value.

ThoseBackPages · 06-15-2019, 07:05 PM

PSA 5 = surface wrinkle

Gary probably removed it

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #40751258

1950 Bowman Elroy Hirsch RC #52

Value gain of $1,994.64

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-5 on December 18, 2017 for $130.39. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1593610
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $2,125.00 on June 21, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1676909

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Don't have any red squares. The same card received a 4 point grade bump and I cannot see why. The corners look a little sharper. There may have been creases. There is no mention of flaws in the listing description. Moser did something and/or PSA is woefully incapable of grading with trust. Posting this because of the enormous monetary gain in value.

I'd guess surface wrinkle got it a 5 the first time around.

ETA: Great minds think alike.

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 07:17 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...44&w=400&h=507

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/230756

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 07:25 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...5&w=628&h=1186

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1549568

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 07:39 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...43&w=251&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932405

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 07:49 PM

Lost about $3 on this one. Not sure what happened.

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...95&w=934&h=690

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1593589

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 07:55 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...12&w=400&h=383

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/237686

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 08:03 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...90&w=400&h=353

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/149253

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 08:20 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...36&w=231&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/230757

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 08:21 PM

He also won that card and then resold it in 2016 here:

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1312838

That sale was part of the "finest grouping [of '48 Leaf football] to be publically offered with many examples being among the best copies in the hobby".

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 08:28 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...91&w=230&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1176990

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 08:37 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...35&w=238&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1131286

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 09:15 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...53&w=400&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/288397

06-15-2019, 02:25 PM	#2976
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...4&w=960&h=1686 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1816506 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:46 PM.

06-15-2019, 02:33 PM	#2977
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	Close call with top edge on this one but I haven't traced back one yet that has been untrimmed. http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...53&w=400&h=369 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/169654 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:47 PM.

06-15-2019, 02:49 PM	#2978
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...85&w=233&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1131285 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:47 PM.

06-15-2019, 02:54 PM	#2979
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...02&w=243&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/230755 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:48 PM.

06-15-2019, 03:02 PM	#2980
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...9&w=944&h=1720 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1816507 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:48 PM.

06-15-2019, 03:11 PM	#2981
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...0&w=568&h=1120 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1430085 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:49 PM.

06-15-2019, 06:31 PM	#2982
pgconboy Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: CA Posts: 33 pgconboy	I'm looking to buy a Fletcher Cox auto rookie, specifically in a college jersey and this one caught my eye. Given the recent PWCC scandal I thought i'd take a peek. Does this card look like it had a top left cleaning, and maybe a slight haircut off the top and possibly right border? Auction: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-U...W&LH_Auction=1 Historical: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...old-1907155892 __________________ WTB: Autographed Rookie Cards of HOF/Future HOF NFL Players instagram.com/goatrosters Last edited by pgconboy; 06-15-2019 at 06:40 PM.

06-15-2019, 06:35 PM	#2983
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	Don't see any trimming here, but putting here for future reference as this is a Moser sub. https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1282329 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1593588 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

06-15-2019, 06:47 PM	#2984
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...66&w=400&h=420 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1312835 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:49 PM.

06-15-2019, 07:03 PM	#2987
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,136	PSA Cert #40751258 1950 Bowman Elroy Hirsch RC #52 Value gain of $1,994.64 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-5 on December 18, 2017 for $130.39. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1593610 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $2,125.00 on June 21, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1676909 Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Don't have any red squares. The same card received a 4 point grade bump and I cannot see why. The corners look a little sharper. There may have been creases. There is no mention of flaws in the listing description. Moser did something and/or PSA is woefully incapable of grading with trust. Posting this because of the enormous monetary gain in value. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-15-2019, 07:05 PM	#2988
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,309 ThoseBackPages	PSA 5 = surface wrinkle Gary probably removed it __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

06-15-2019, 07:17 PM	#2990
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...44&w=400&h=507 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/230756 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:52 PM.

06-15-2019, 07:25 PM	#2991
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...5&w=628&h=1186 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1549568 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:52 PM.

06-15-2019, 07:39 PM	#2992
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...43&w=251&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932405 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:53 PM.

06-15-2019, 07:49 PM	#2993
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	Lost about $3 on this one. Not sure what happened. http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...95&w=934&h=690 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1593589 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:54 PM.

06-15-2019, 07:55 PM	#2994
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...12&w=400&h=383 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/237686 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:55 PM.

06-15-2019, 08:03 PM	#2995
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...90&w=400&h=353 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/149253 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:55 PM.

06-15-2019, 08:20 PM	#2996
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...36&w=231&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/230757 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 09:02 PM.

06-15-2019, 08:21 PM	#2997
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	He also won that card and then resold it in 2016 here: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1312838 That sale was part of the "finest grouping [of '48 Leaf football] to be publically offered with many examples being among the best copies in the hobby". __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

06-15-2019, 08:28 PM	#2998
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...91&w=230&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1176990 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 09:03 PM.

06-15-2019, 08:37 PM	#2999
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...35&w=238&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1131286 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 09:03 PM.

06-15-2019, 09:15 PM	#3000
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...53&w=400&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/288397 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 09:04 PM.