PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[dustin42]

It was actually steve sloan who I emailed and exactly how was I stalking?

[superdan49]

That trimmed '58 Topps Clemente found by Corndog shows how this bad stuff just keeps circulating throughout the hobby. It sold through Probstein, then REA, then PWCC after PSA graded the trimmed card.

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by superdan49

That trimmed '58 Topps Clemente found by Corndog shows how this bad stuff just keeps circulating throughout the hobby. It sold through Probstein, then REA, then PWCC after PSA graded the trimmed card.

But the hobby has seen so much worse... Actually no. This is massive fraud with a publicly traded company at the heart of it.

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

You're a hypocrite, and you have an enormous sense of entitlement. The only reason you're here in this thread is because PSA banned you and returned "thousands and thousands of dollars worth of submissions" that you had there. The only reason they banned you is because you stalked Joe O on twitter and were dumb enough to post one of his emails to you without cropping out your own email address that was the same email address that you used for your PSA account.

But now you're capable of discerning mental illness based on the linguistics someone uses in their posts. Just stop. Leave the guy alone. LEAVE THE GUY ALONE.

Arthur

If anyone wants the whole story it is here.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1314900

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by superdan49

That trimmed '58 Topps Clemente found by Corndog shows how this bad stuff just keeps circulating throughout the hobby. It sold through Probstein, then REA, then PWCC after PSA graded the trimmed card.

Altered hot potato, that keeps providing auction house and consignment commissions.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Altered hot potato, that keeps providing auction house and consignment commissions.

"It might make sense to slightly overpay for an exceptional piece today, especially when you consider the sentimental value it may provide. You will be glad you did.”

“Becoming a bargain hunter can negatively affect your collecting experience.”

“focus on buying the best quality you can afford is a good thing.”

You can't make this stuff up from two-faced POS Joe Orlando!

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Altered hot potato, that keeps providing auction house and consignment commissions.

Which is why there should be an "Altered Graded Card Registry" to protect potential buyers!

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Which is why there should be an "Altered Graded Card Registry" to protect potential buyers!

I'm sure Steve Sloan would be fast to retaliate if he know the names of who ran it!

[pip]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

I'm sure Steve Sloan would be fast to retaliate if he knew the names of who ran it!

That's about right. I've never known anyone in the industry quite as vindictive as the leadership at PSA, both past and present.

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Altered hot potato, that keeps providing auction house and consignment commissions.

Correct... The false PSA assessment is the "gift that keeps on giving".

And who knows how many more times the card will change hands, given the flock of sheep who just relish that slab. That's exactly why PSA needs to be taken down by Law Enforcement, along the Doctors and Shady Dealers.

Otherwise, we'll never see an end to this. The evil triumvirate (Card Doctors, Corrupt Dealers, inept TPG) must be completely dismantled.

[signed79]

Martin-Sports on eBay has been trimming for over a decade. Just look at that PSA 9 100,000.00 Gretzky OPC RC they have listed.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by signed79

Martin-Sports on eBay has been trimming for over a decade. Just look at that PSA 9 100,000.00 Gretzky OPC RC they have listed.

how are your listings doing?

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

Correct... The false PSA assessment is the "gift that keeps on giving".

And who knows how many more times the card will change hands, given the flock of sheep who just relish that slab. That's exactly why PSA needs to be taken down by Law Enforcement, along the Doctors and Shady Dealers.

Otherwise, we'll never see an end to this. The evil triumvirate (Card Doctors, Corrupt Dealers, inept TPG) must be completely dismantled.

Naturally the card will be cracked out of the slab and disappear for a little while. Next it will be submitted again or possibly sold raw, maybe at a show.

So, it will be helpful to have a central place to easily locate altered exemplars.

[superdan49]

Bo Hunter has been banned. Details:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...5#post15227515

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Bo Hunter has been banned. Details:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...5#post15227515

As i said. Trash

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by signed79

Martin-Sports on eBay has been trimming for over a decade. Just look at that PSA 9 100,000.00 Gretzky OPC RC they have listed.

International trimmers? Lovely.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

International trimmers? Lovely.

Yes. This is accurate. Jason Martin started out by buying uncut sheets, trimming them, and sending the cards to Beckett. Beckett was clueless, so they graded virtually all of what he sent. We're talking many thousands of cards. Then Jason Martin began to experiment with trimming and adding fake rough cuts like Moser. PSA has graded a lot of his hatchet jobs.

[pspa123]

Any pictures of a grinning Orlando with this Martin dude?

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:23684693

1952 Topps Look 'N See #105 Leonardo da Vinci PSA 7 to PSA 9
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: In a user's private Registry

Sold on 9/8/2013 as a PSA 7 by eBay seller boilerjake to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $33.53
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 2/18/2015 as a PSA 9 for $898.89
Final price: $898.89
Value gain: $865.36


The eBay seller boilerjake did not provide a back photo, so I matched this card using the top border. The original factory cut is like a key; the match is perfect as you can see from the enlarged detail, thus confirming the PSA 7 purchased by whitman111 is the same card as the PSA 9 later sold by PWCC. Red boxes show the trimmed left and right borders. The blue circle shows a print mark common to both cards. This card was a PSA 9 Pop 1, with none higher. I am confident that it belongs to the owner of the #1 Registry Set for the '52 Topps Look 'N Sees.



PSA 7: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/n...5/186406/PSA/7
PSA 9: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1073606

[signed79]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

how are your listings doing?

Tonight finished my first round of 0.99 No Reserve 7-Day auctions. I had 80 listings and closed at about $5,200

Prices on slabs were strong with the exception of non-sports. Those listings went for less than expected, but I'm happy with the overall results.

Plan is just to keep listing 60 to 100 auctions a week till there isn't anything left worth selling - then it goes to the trash!

Never get cheated again!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by signed79

Tonight finished my first round of 0.99 No Reserve 7-Day auctions. I had 80 listings and closed at about $5,200

Prices on slabs were strong with the exception of non-sports. Those listings went for less than expected, but I'm happy with the overall results.

Plan is just to keep listing 60 to 100 auctions a week till there isn't anything left worth selling - then it goes to the trash!

Never get cheated again!

very nice! sounds like slabs are selling well!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Bo Hunter has been banned. Details:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...5#post15227515

good, now clean up some of these other PBMs please

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

You mean the guy who signed up here 2 months before me that constantly berates me for being too new to know anything? The guy whose entire existence on this site can only be found within just a few select threads, all of which pertain to the trimming scandal? On day 1, he "discovers" this thread and somehow just never leaves it? The guy who fights anyone disagreeing with him on any topic except for this one?

All anyone has to do is take a look at his post history and it's clear as day that this isn't his first rodeo here. I don't know if he's a PBM or just someone's second account, but his post history certainly doesn't add up to someone who just discovered this site for the first time.

Meanwhile, I get accused daily of being a PBM by people who think it's impossible for a noob to discover the multi-quote button and ignore list features lol.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Any pictures of a grinning Orlando with this Martin dude?

LOL!!!

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by pip

Yes. This is accurate. Jason Martin started out by buying uncut sheets, trimming them, and sending the cards to Beckett. Beckett was clueless, so they graded virtually all of what he sent. We're talking many thousands of cards. Then Jason Martin began to experiment with trimming and adding fake rough cuts like Moser. PSA has graded a lot of his hatchet jobs.

Beckett openly grades sheet cut cards. They'll tell you so.

But wait, what's the difference between a sheet cut card and a trimmed card?

Exactly. One of the reasons I don't buy Beckett graded cards (especially for issues that uncut sheets are readily available for, like 1990s and earlier).

Arthur