PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[signed79]

Sad when PSA/eBay/PWCC are combating BODA vs those commiting fraud in the hobby.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by signed79

Sad when PSA/eBay/PWCC are combating BODA vs those commiting fraud in the hobby.

PSA makes a killing from all the money the card doctors bring to them in the form of higher grades (higher grading fees), volume of submissions, publicity (Namath Gold)...

The eBay sales department just cares about $, not protecting anyone from my experience unless its absolutely horrible for business.

PWCC is rotten and of course will combat BODA

The wishful thinking in this hobby from "collectors" is turning into a bad joke!

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by signed79

Sad when PSA/eBay/PWCC are combating BODA vs those commiting fraud in the hobby.

Well, PSA and PWCC have just about the same stated mission statement: to make cards more expensive. But neither talks about maintaining ethics in their respective mission statements...

With this being said, imagine the kinds of havoc the two could wreak if they purposefully worked together to achieve their primary common goal...? Apparently they’ve been working together for some time now.

[rjp087]

This is truly terrible, but all I can think is jokes on them: they price me out when they do it.

[corndog]

1955 Parkhurst Harry Lumley #1

Profit of $3,995.54

I received a tip from a fellow Blowout member regarding the recent sale of this card by PWCC. There is a sale record from January of 2018 where the card sold for $354.46 as a PSA 7 (miscut qualifier).
The next sale of record was two weeks ago when the newly graded PSA 7 (no qualifier) card was sold for $4,350.00 by PWCC. The card has had the miscut arrow image on the back right edge erased. You can still see faint remnants of the red ink.

When I checked the PSA database, many of the surrounding cert #s had been deactivated by PSA. I don't know who the initial buyer in 2018 was.

PWCC stickered the altered card with an A.

Members that are more familiar with the 1955 Parkhurst set may be able to chime in with better details.

[3124508 on COMC]

I don't understand how the card is no longer miscut.

[pip]

It could be the scan but the card looks chemically whitened as well.

[mjohnatgt]

It must have been at the absolute minimum size acceptable or they'd have trimmed off that bottom edge as well...

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

It must have been at the absolute minimum size acceptable or they'd have trimmed off that bottom edge as well...

Those are coming later tonight.

[pspa123]

How did they miss that the left part of the arrow still shows a clear miscut?

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I don't understand how the card is no longer miscut.

Someone erased the red block on the right edge. Nice job!

[Pink Pussycat]

Just another one of the thousands of beyond-obvious alterations that somehow manage to sneak by those invincible "professional sports authenticators".

[pip]

I think you all are forgetting that visual proof isn't actual proof.

[superdan49]

Initial buyer of the Lumley might have been Jeffrey Bridgman, who is coded as o***3 in some buys. He focused on buying hockey, and had connections to OCSI, as 312 noted in this post from September 2019:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1461

[Rooftop]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Initial buyer of the Lumley might have been Jeffrey Bridgman, who is coded as o***3 in some buys. He focused on buying hockey, and had connections to OCSI, as 312 noted in this post from September 2019:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1461

Out em all

[superdan49]

He also was a consignor to Classic Auctions, which handled the sale of the "The Jeff Bridgman Autograph Collection" and the "Jeff Bridgman Hockey Card Collection":

https://www.classicauctions.net/Cate...tion-9564.html
https://www.classicauctions.net/Cate...tion-9319.html

[pip]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Initial buyer of the Lumley might have been Jeffrey Bridgman, who is coded as o***3 in some buys. He focused on buying hockey, and had connections to OCSI, as 312 noted in this post from September 2019:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1461

Makes sense.

[khodgson5]

I may have unknowingly become a victim of PWCC's scandal. A few days ago I purchased a 2001 Fleer E-X Drew Brees rookie card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Fleer-...rdt=true&rt=nc

Initially the seller and the card seemed to check out. However when I received the card, I noticed the return shipping label was from PWCC auctions. Since all the allegations and scandals involving this company, I vowed I would never purchase a card from them.

When I questioned the seller about the card, he said that he stores all of his cards in their vault and then has them ship the cards to customers. Of course at an inflated rate for standard shipping without any insurance on a $900 card. Had I know this auction was for a card from PWCC, I would have never placed a bid in the first place.

It seems that PWCC is now outsourcing it's card sales to other sellers on eBay. Of course none of this information was disclosed in the original auction description. I'm not sure if I should return the card or keep it as further evidence against their company. Once I return it, they will just put it aside or sell it to someone outside of eBay.

This card is very condition sensitive so of course now I suspect that it may have been altered or trimmed. Any suggestions for my course of action would be much appreciated. Thanks.

[cking]

Originally Posted by khodgson5

I may have unknowingly become a victim of PWCC's scandal. A few days ago I purchased a 2001 Fleer E-X Drew Brees rookie card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Fleer-...rdt=true&rt=nc

Initially the seller and the card seemed to check out. However when I received the card, I noticed the return shipping label was from PWCC auctions. Since all the allegations and scandals involving this company, I vowed I would never purchase a card from them.

When I questioned the seller about the card, he said that he stores all of his cards in their vault and then has them ship the cards to customers. Of course at an inflated rate for standard shipping without any insurance on a $900 card. Had I know this auction was for a card from PWCC, I would have never placed a bid in the first place.

It seems that PWCC is now outsourcing it's card sales to other sellers on eBay. Of course none of this information was disclosed in the original auction description. I'm not sure if I should return the card or keep it as further evidence against their company. Once I return it, they will just put it aside or sell it to someone outside of eBay.

This card is very condition sensitive so of course now I suspect that it may have been altered or trimmed. Any suggestions for my course of action would be much appreciated. Thanks.

This is strange to say the least. Card was shipped from Portland,Oregon. Maybe its a new ID PWCC created to try and cover their tracks.

Who knows anymore. This hobby is so full of criminals and thieves and people who enable the fraud its getting ridiculous.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by khodgson5

I may have unknowingly become a victim of PWCC's scandal. A few days ago I purchased a 2001 Fleer E-X Drew Brees rookie card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Fleer-...rdt=true&rt=nc

Initially the seller and the card seemed to check out. However when I received the card, I noticed the return shipping label was from PWCC auctions. Since all the allegations and scandals involving this company, I vowed I would never purchase a card from them.

When I questioned the seller about the card, he said that he stores all of his cards in their vault and then has them ship the cards to customers. Of course at an inflated rate for standard shipping without any insurance on a $900 card. Had I know this auction was for a card from PWCC, I would have never placed a bid in the first place.

It seems that PWCC is now outsourcing it's card sales to other sellers on eBay. Of course none of this information was disclosed in the original auction description. I'm not sure if I should return the card or keep it as further evidence against their company. Once I return it, they will just put it aside or sell it to someone outside of eBay.

This card is very condition sensitive so of course now I suspect that it may have been altered or trimmed. Any suggestions for my course of action would be much appreciated. Thanks.

It's #'d so BODA might be able to track where it came from.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by khodgson5

I may have unknowingly become a victim of PWCC's scandal. A few days ago I purchased a 2001 Fleer E-X Drew Brees rookie card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Fleer-...rdt=true&rt=nc

Initially the seller and the card seemed to check out. However when I received the card, I noticed the return shipping label was from PWCC auctions. Since all the allegations and scandals involving this company, I vowed I would never purchase a card from them.

When I questioned the seller about the card, he said that he stores all of his cards in their vault and then has them ship the cards to customers. Of course at an inflated rate for standard shipping without any insurance on a $900 card. Had I know this auction was for a card from PWCC, I would have never placed a bid in the first place.

It seems that PWCC is now outsourcing it's card sales to other sellers on eBay. Of course none of this information was disclosed in the original auction description. I'm not sure if I should return the card or keep it as further evidence against their company. Once I return it, they will just put it aside or sell it to someone outside of eBay.

This card is very condition sensitive so of course now I suspect that it may have been altered or trimmed. Any suggestions for my course of action would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Lots of people now buy on ebay and have their cards shipped directly to PWCC to avoid sales tax. I had thought when the owners decide to sell, PWCC sells the cards directly through the vault, but it seems possible the owner could sell it himself and let PWCC drop ship it to the winner.

[mjohnatgt]

https://www.worthpoint.com/inventory...es&categories=
Looks like it was raw here.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by cking

This is strange to say the least. Card was shipped from Portland,Oregon. Maybe its a new ID PWCC created to try and cover their tracks.

Who knows anymore. This hobby is so full of criminals and thieves and people who enable the fraud its getting ridiculous.

The ID dates back to 2007.

[khodgson5]

Thanks for your replies regarding this situation. It appears that this seller has also made several purchases from PWCC in the past. I would really appreciate any information the members could find on this card. I'm still just not sure if I should return it or not. Thanks for your time.

[pspa123]

Here is the previous sale.

7/20/2020 $1,299.00 eBay (irish-bing) 333660200541
No PWCC angle apparent


I would look at the surrounding certs, and if it's too many 10s on pricey cards, probably pass, otherwise keep.