PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[Pink Pussycat]

Can someone PLEASE buy Orlando a blacklight as a New Year's gift?

How many PSA "misses" (intentional or otherwise) are we up to now?

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

Can someone PLEASE buy Orlando a blacklight as a New Year's gift?

How many PSA "misses" (intentional or otherwise) are we up to now?

How about buying him a new catch phrase instead of blacklight? Joe probably knows more about what goes on with the card doctor submissions, trimming, recoloring, and PSA 10 gold than you can imagine

[auburn35]

Figured this also belonged in the main thread.

PWCC is currently selling this counterfeit BGS 10

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2597064





Thread from the basketball forums, highlighting some other counterfeit examples.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1435178

[corndog]

Gary Moser doing documented alteration business with Brent Huigens 10 years ago.

PSA Cert #18863281

1948 Leaf Boxing Sugar Ray Robinson #64

Value gain of $187.50

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller reggiebushsurf as a PSA 5 on March 08, 2009 for $46.00.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 7 for $233.50 on December 02, 2011.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify trimmed left and right edges.
No back images provided.

[corndog]

From 2012.

PSA Cert #20319166

1948 Leaf Andy Pafko #125

Value gain of $54.80

PSA Set Registry: Andrew's 1948 Leaf Basic Set

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller allmartysstuff as a PSA 5 on March 24, 2012 for $40.00.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 7 for $94.80 on October 08, 2012.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify trimmed top and bottom edges.

[pip]

What kind of hubris would it take to work hand-in-hand with a card doctor for over a decade, pumping untold thousands or perhaps even millions of altered cards into the industry, only to then announce to the hobby, shortly before you're caught, that you're really only helping collectors by "conserving" cards, not molesting them in every conceivable way?

Brent belongs in jail.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Hard to think that any slabbed ‘48 Leafs are clean. Is it even worse than the Pankhurst sets?

[corndog]

From 2013.

PSA Cert #21062638

1948 Leaf Andy Pafko #125

Value gain of $147.57

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller quietcornertrading as a SGC 7 on August 20, 2012 for $66.00.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 7 for $213.57 on April 02, 2013.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red square identifies trimmed top edge.
No back image provided.

[corndog]

From 2012 and having to work with poor images.
This trimmed card did not receive a grade bump.

PSA Cert #20462206

1948 Leaf Joe Gordon #117

Value gain of $30.53

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller cardyman as a PSA 6 on June 10, 2012 for $56.55.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 6 for $87.08 on October 08, 2012.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red square identifies trimmed right edge.
No back image provided.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by pip

What kind of hubris would it take to work hand-in-hand with a card doctor for over a decade, pumping untold thousands or perhaps even millions of altered cards into the industry, only to then announce to the hobby, shortly before you're caught, that you're really only helping collectors by "conserving" cards, not molesting them in every conceivable way?

Brent belongs in jail.

Speaking of which, WTF is fbi doing if anything on this?

[corndog]

PSA Cert #22243931

1948 Leaf Kent Peterson #42 (red cap)

Value gain of $118.28

PSA Set Registry: private

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller 1948leaf-psa as a PSA 5 on July 31, 2013 for $54.99.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 6 for $173.27 on February 14, 2014.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify trimmed left and right edges.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by chezball

Speaking of which, WTF is fbi doing if anything on this?

FBI doesn't really speak about ongoing investigations until the indictments are issued.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #21307630

1948 Leaf Kent Peterson #42 (red cap)

Value gain of $264.42

PSA Set Registry: private

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller iratherbedrivingmy1957chevy as a PSA 5 on March 20, 2013 for $129.58.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 7 for $394.00 on December 10, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify trimmed left and right edges.
No back image provided.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #21307631

1948 Leaf Larry Jensen #56

Value gain of $59.23

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller iratherbedrivingmy1957chevy as a PSA 6 on April 07, 2013 for $28.77.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 7 for $88.00 on March 30, 2014.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify trimmed left and right edges.
No back image provided.

[auburn35]

Nice work on the multiple discoveries.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

FBI doesn't really speak about ongoing investigations until the indictments are issued.

It's been over a year, there's plenty of evidence.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by chezball

It's been over a year, there's plenty of evidence.

I think it took like four years to charge Mastro, right? This has so many more players, and there was some strange reason that normal stuff hasn't been happening for the past year.
But then, you know that, and you're trolling.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I think it took like four years to charge Mastro, right? This has so many more players, and there was some strange reason that normal stuff hasn't been happening for the past year.
But then, you know that, and you're trolling.

No, I'm not TBP. I'm hardly in this thread.

[pip]

Originally Posted by chezball

No, I'm not TBP. I'm hardly in this thread.

I was speaking the other day with one of the prominent dealers in the coin industry and he thought that if the FBI investigation fails to take down those most active in fraud, a civil suit brought by a wealthy investor on a $1 million altered card might be the best vehicle for change.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pip

I was speaking the other day with one of the prominent dealers in the coin industry and he thought that if the FBI investigation fails to take down those most active in fraud, a civil suit brought by a wealthy investor on a $1 million altered card might be the best vehicle for change.

In theory that might be another option however of the numerous wealthy collectors I know and know of, none would bother to bring such a suit. This sort of supports comments I have made based on my conversations with Agent Brusokas--there are seemingly no victims because the market has really been accepting of the altered cards.

[corndog]

PSA 2.5 to a PSA 4
Card sold as trimmed a second time in 2017 for $679.00.

PSA Cert #21307635

1948 Leaf Harry Brecheen #158 (short print)

Value gain of $5.00

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller shades-of-sport as a PSA 2.5 on March 25, 2013 for $222.50.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 4 for $227.50 on August 07, 2013 and on February 07, 2017 for $679.00.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify trimmed left and right edges. Card is now not square.
No back image provided.

[corndog]

This trimmed card did not receive a grade bump.

PSA Cert #22754986

1948 Leaf Paul 'Dizzy' Trout #10

Value gain of $4.91

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller 1948leaf-psa as a PSA 6 on October 11, 2013 for $28.77.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 6 for $33.68 on October 05, 2014.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red square identifies trimmed right edge.

[corndog]

PSA 3 to a PSA 5

PSA Cert #20778892

1948 Leaf Casimer Michaels #13 (short print)

Value gain of $123.39

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 3 on October 02, 2012 for $156.66.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 5 for $280.05 on August 07, 2013.

Yellow circles are print, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red square identifies trimmed left edge.
No back image provided.

[wcardguy]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

In theory that might be another option however of the numerous wealthy collectors I know and know of, none would bother to bring such a suit. This sort of supports comments I have made based on my conversations with Agent Brusokas--there are seemingly no victims because the market has really been accepting of the altered cards.

The problem is there's going to come a moment when the market suddenly won't be so accepting, and then a ton of value will be lost.

I get that high-dollar collectors want to protect the value of their cards, but as in most things in life it's best to do the right thing now, even if it hurts, because the bad thing will come around and bite you much harder later. Go after the trimmers and the graders now and get the restitution that you can, because in the future you might not have the opportunity.

[pip]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

In theory that might be another option however of the numerous wealthy collectors I know and know of, none would bother to bring such a suit. This sort of supports comments I have made based on my conversations with Agent Brusokas--there are seemingly no victims because the market has really been accepting of the altered cards.

To be fair, he didn't say it necessarily would happen; just that it could.