Read today that Negro League will be merged with MLB stats….

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Dodgerfan74

Question about Negro Leagues stadiums. We’re the stadiums smaller than the Major League stadiums of the era. If so that impacts homeruns hit

Oh my - now we’re getting somewhere. I hope someone knows the answer to this …. Great point

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Jazz Chisholm

This has been explained to you in numerous other threads by numerous other people. If you’re too dumb or hardheaded to get it, tough #@#@#@#@. Change your outdated ways or get called a racist.

So you won’t cut and paste like I challenged, because you can’t.
This Court is no longer in Session.

[Dodgerfan74]

Larry Lester “I think George Floyd and Trayvon Martin and other people of color who have been traumatized, killed, have encouraged Major League Baseball to revisit the social concept of why we need to include the Negro League stats.”
From article ESPN Andscape

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Dodgerfan74

Larry Lester “I think George Floyd and Trayvon Martin and other people of color who have been traumatized, killed, have encouraged Major League Baseball to revisit the social concept of why we need to include the Negro League stats.”
From article ESPN Andscape

In my opinion, Andscape is on par with Steven Crowder as far as "journalism" goes.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

So you won’t cut and paste like I challenged, because you can’t.
This Court is no longer in Session.

I mean you've posted and deleted many of your comments before that were questionable and blamed it on meds and alcohol..and it wasn't a one time thing...so yeah some people are going to go there especially when you use terms like woke

[80s Kid]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

There is definitely a valid, rational discussion to be had on both sides of this issue. But the constant calling anyone racist who believes the statistics of separate leagues should be kept separate is completely out of line. The people posting valid concerns about combining the statistics are not doing so for racist reasons. Just stop.

There isn't a constant calling of racist to anyone against combining the statistics.

Towards people using terms such as woke or making up history sure but outside of that there has been valid points from other people.

Someone commented on lack of SO earlier and I'm just going to assume they weren't tracked in the box scores for whatever reason.

Japanese stats have been mentioned multiple times for which I'll just say my thought is MLB stats are for domestic top division leagues. Although it would be fun if MLB.com included foreign league stats in their drop downs for fun comparisons.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I don't think WAR is "garbage", but you do need to be cognizant of its limitations and flaws when using it in arguments, as is the case with all statistics.

Clownlytics / WAR is great if you throw away logic and results.

When is the Mexican League going to be included ? Many pros have been apart of that league as well.

[Crosby 87]

This thread is now officially more off the rails when compared to the threads of CJ Stroud or Ravens WR by the OP

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Clownlytics / WAR is great if you throw away logic and results.

When is the Mexican League going to be included ? Many pros have been apart of that league as well.

Talk about throwing away logic.

[erocstrat78]

I believe for a lot of the Negro League teams (especially the later years), played a lot of their games in either MLB stadiums (Forbes Field, Polo Grounds, etc) or in the case of Birmingham they played in the minor league stadium (Rickwood Field). But from my understanding, the fields were pretty similar.

I have no issues with it because at the end of the day, it really does not matter what I think. The only thing that concerns me is the number of at bats/innings a player played in a season and stating that they are the single season record holder. In that aspect, it feels like it is comparing apples to oranges.

In regards to level of competition, from the various sources I have read from top to bottom it would slightly be below MLB level (AAAA?). That being said, a lot of the better teams would not have any issues going toe to toe with some of the top teams. I think the biggest difference would be that the bottom teams might have struggled against teams like the St Louis Browns or the Philadelphia Athletics (when Connie Mack sells off all the good players). Regardless, in each league there are good teams and bad teams.

With Japanese League comparisons, the level of competition has often been considered AAA at best.

The best players in each league would have been good/great players in MLB regardless.

The biggest thing that tells me that the Negro Leagues were on par with MLB is Jackie Robinson. Robinson was not even considered a top 10 player in the Negro Leagues at that time. He was a good player, but wasn't considered one of the best. MLB teams were sort of slow in signing Negro League players afterwards because they feared about having too many Negro League players on the roster and was not sure how the fans reacted.

If I take anything from what MLB has done, it is shedding some light on some of the forgotten players in baseball history. I don't ever really think that is a bad thing.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Jazz Chisholm

This has been explained to you in numerous other threads by numerous other people. If you’re too dumb or hardheaded to get it, tough #@#@#@#@. Change your outdated ways or get called a racist.

Maybe I spend too much time under a rock, but prior to reading that stuff about the term "thug" here in Blowout, I had no idea it had taken on a racial connotation. It's not like I use the word anyway, so that's probably why I didn't know.

I asked my husband about it and immediately he was like "Nooooo don't use that word!" He explained all about it and now I understand.

My ignorance had nothing to do with racism and again, I don't use that word anyway. Just, I had no idea. Thankfully now I do.

I understand language is fluid and I'm updating my current understanding of it quite often. This is one example of that.

My point was simply that some people just aren't aware of these things. I wasn't. I would've felt horrible had I misused the term and offended someone. I'm glad it didn't happen.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by erocstrat78

I believe for a lot of the Negro League teams (especially the later years), played a lot of their games in either MLB stadiums (Forbes Field, Polo Grounds, etc) or in the case of Birmingham they played in the minor league stadium (Rickwood Field). But from my understanding, the fields were pretty similar.

I have no issues with it because at the end of the day, it really does not matter what I think. The only thing that concerns me is the number of at bats/innings a player played in a season and stating that they are the single season record holder. In that aspect, it feels like it is comparing apples to oranges.

In regards to level of competition, from the various sources I have read from top to bottom it would slightly be below MLB level (AAAA?). That being said, a lot of the better teams would not have any issues going toe to toe with some of the top teams. I think the biggest difference would be that the bottom teams might have struggled against teams like the St Louis Browns or the Philadelphia Athletics (when Connie Mack sells off all the good players). Regardless, in each league there are good teams and bad teams.

With Japanese League comparisons, the level of competition has often been considered AAA at best.

The best players in each league would have been good/great players in MLB regardless.

The biggest thing that tells me that the Negro Leagues were on par with MLB is Jackie Robinson. Robinson was not even considered a top 10 player in the Negro Leagues at that time. He was a good player, but wasn't considered one of the best. MLB teams were sort of slow in signing Negro League players afterwards because they feared about having too many Negro League players on the roster and was not sure how the fans reacted.

If I take anything from what MLB has done, it is shedding some light on some of the forgotten players in baseball history. I don't ever really think that is a bad thing.

This is I think is the biggest takeaway

[BdotHobbs]

If I had $1 for every time some boomer doofus used the word “woke” correctly, I wouldn’t be able to buy a pack of 1994 Collectors Choice

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Clownlytics / WAR is great if you throw away logic and results.

When is the Mexican League going to be included ? Many pros have been apart of that league as well.

Trevor Bauer and Robinson Cano have been decent this year down there.

[JWBlue]

[hammertime]

[80s Kid]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

You are a little late!

[bub838]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Maybe I spend too much time under a rock, but prior to reading that stuff about the term "thug" here in Blowout, I had no idea it had taken on a racial connotation. It's not like I use the word anyway, so that's probably why I didn't know.

I asked my husband about it and immediately he was like "Nooooo don't use that word!" He explained all about it and now I understand.

My ignorance had nothing to do with racism and again, I don't use that word anyway. Just, I had no idea. Thankfully now I do.

I understand language is fluid and I'm updating my current understanding of it quite often. This is one example of that.

My point was simply that some people just aren't aware of these things. I wasn't. I would've felt horrible had I misused the term and offended someone. I'm glad it didn't happen.

I appreciate this post and your willingness to learn. However, the difference between you and many others is they would rather triple down on their ignorance.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by 80s Kid

You are a little late!

I considered that actually but have a feeling we are just getting started.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

I considered that actually but have a feeling we are just getting started.

We really need to be able to bet on how quickly threads get deleted. Would be more exciting than most games.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

There is definitely a valid, rational discussion to be had on both sides of this issue. But the constant calling anyone racist who believes the statistics of separate leagues should be kept separate is completely out of line. The people posting valid concerns about combining the statistics are not doing so for racist reasons. Just stop.

I don't have a strong opinion on the change, but after seeing the comment thread on Facebook attacking anyone who even modestly disagreed with the change, it was an easy choice to keep my two cents out of it. It's the sad state of the climate in this country. People cannot agree to disagree. As such, many just bow out of tough conversations when we should be having them. Nixon called it the silent majority.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by JRX

We really need to be able to bet on how quickly threads get deleted. Would be more exciting than most games.

I think this one is safe for now? No one has really crossed the lines, although some have come close, then backed off. Maybe it will go on in perpetuity!

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

There are some accusations of racism within this Thread, and am not sure how many are directed at me. Since I would be naive to think none of them are directed at me, let me say once again that I think it’s absolutely absurd to merge the Stats of the present MLB with a / any prior league from the past, blend the stats together, and “act as if” the 2 leagues (statically) actually played with and against each other.

My friends - where is the prejudice in that? I’ll wait…



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Who is Thread?

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by erocstrat78

If I take anything from what MLB has done, it is shedding some light on some of the forgotten players in baseball history. I don't ever really think that is a bad thing.

Yep, and I think this is the important part that's going to get overshadowed by the bickering that has to come with everything now.

It's not going to reduce interest in guys like Ty Cobb, but it could bump interest in guys like Gibson, Charleston, Leonard, etc. Cobb will still be seen as what he always was.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Who is Thread?

Who was phone?