PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 97

corndog · 05-31-2019, 08:20 PM

OOPS... already found by Superdan yesterday.

corndog · 05-31-2019, 08:47 PM

PSA Cert #27898984

1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig #160

Value gain of $2,725.00

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-ALTERED on June 09, 2016 for $825.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1288229
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-4 for $3,550.00 on October 09, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555550

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red marked areas represent coloring added where the image had been erased to removed a marking.

SetBuilder · 05-31-2019, 09:50 PM

Here is a 1914 Cracker Jack Walter Johnson.

Purchased in a SGC 1.5 holder on 11/7/2018 for $3,150. Cardtarget link: http://www.cardtarget.com/cards/47647.

Then the caramel stains were cleaned off and it got into a PSA 4 holder. Re-sold for $5,225 on 4/9/2019.

Value gain:$2,075.

pspa123 · 05-31-2019, 09:54 PM

Original CJ purchase by .... wait for it .....

11/7/18 eBay Image pwcc_auctions w***1 21 $3,150.00

SetBuilder · 05-31-2019, 10:22 PM

This T206 Mathewson portrait was bumped down a grade by PSA, but the doctor still made a profit.

Purchased on Oct 12, 2016 as a PSA 6 for $4,838.88. Link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...son-1834215263.

Cleaned a bit, and sold as a PSA 5 on 4/9/2019 for $6,877. Link: http://www.cardtarget.com/cards/160162.

Difference of $2,038.12.

HBMC · 06-01-2019, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

Here is a 1914 Cracker Jack Walter Johnson.

Purchased in a SGC 1.5 holder on 11/7/2018 for $3,150. Cardtarget link: http://www.cardtarget.com/cards/47647.

Then the caramel stains were cleaned off and it got into a PSA 4 holder. Re-sold for $5,225 on 4/9/2019.

Value gain:$2,075.

Horrid, way to wreck the patina of a card with fine eye appeal.

corndog · 06-01-2019, 05:04 AM

Nice find on the Cracker Jack Johnson!

corndog · 06-01-2019, 06:07 AM

PSA Cert #27898984

1912 T227 Series Of Champions Ty Cobb MINERS EXTRA

Value gain of $2,371.00

This card was sold by PWCC to an unknown buyer as a SGC-AUTH on May 08, 2016 for $1,780.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1276595
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-3 for $4,151.00 on October 08, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1571983

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
I cannot see what was done to improve the card. The SGC listing mentions a scuff on the chest but I can't see it with the scans provided. Something was done to allow it to slip through unless PSA is just that bad (likely).

KhalDrogo · 06-01-2019, 06:10 AM

Cobb sold for $1780. Value gain of $2371.

pspa123 · 06-01-2019, 06:51 AM

I think it is more on point to continue to identify cards with obvious alterations; if you start looking for every time SGC and PSA disagreed the thread will lose focus. My two cents.

tconte · 06-01-2019, 07:28 AM

Thank goodness I never bought the T227 Cobb. At on time, I really wanted one.

corndog · 06-01-2019, 07:43 AM

PSA Cert #26466905

1948 Leaf Football Ray Evans #72

Value gain of $170.99

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-6 for $209.50 on June 23, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1295728
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8 for $380.49 on February 21, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1430095

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify trimming of the left edge.

KhalDrogo · 06-01-2019, 07:53 AM

$209.50. Gain of $170.99.

pspa123 · 06-01-2019, 07:54 AM

209 on the original purchase.
As an aside, you can see how much he likes this card or more likely Leaf in general. Look at all these buys just in this grade. Another search tool perhaps. I would focus on 48 Leaf FB that are low pop in higher grades.

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $168.06

6/23/16 eBay Image pwcc_auctions w***1 15 $209.50
9/13/15 eBay Image just_collect w***1 15 $227.50
10/5/13 eBay Image mintstateinc w***1 BIN $225.00
4/3/11 eBay Image just_collect w***1 15 $271.99

mjohnatgt · 06-01-2019, 07:57 AM

Maybe all the dealers should be informed that they should cancel all purchases by Gary Moser... why is his eBay account still active?

superdan49 · 06-01-2019, 08:10 AM

.....

pspa123 · 06-01-2019, 08:20 AM

Someone or someones have a tainted Registry set it seems.

corndog · 06-01-2019, 09:04 AM

PSA Cert #27148667

1973 Topps Roberto Clemente #50

Value gain of $438.25

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-7.5 for $71.75 on June 15, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1291252
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $510.00 on May 25, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1488811

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify more than probable coloring in with a light gray of the area where the ink offset during the printing leaving whitish areas and the spot on the helmet. The area on the left white border looks cleaned up.
ADDED NOTE: The grade jumped 1.5 points and the reasons are not always easy to see. If they were more obvious they would more than likely be flagged. You have to remember that this is a Moser bought card and we are trying to identify alterations looking at a screen. If the card was in my hand it would be so much easier to spot added color using a printers loupe. I did blow up the area even larger than shown to see if the pixilation blurred and it did. You would be very surprised at how many Moser cards that I have found with grade bumps and I just couldn't see enough to merit posting them. You also need to remember that Moser is not a simple crack and re-subber. He works on his cards.

mjohnatgt · 06-01-2019, 09:21 AM

Airing of Grievances: PSA edition
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297252

TheRealDeal · 06-01-2019, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Airing of Grievances: PSA edition
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297252

I like this!

You can see how fraud runs so rampant in this hobby if you just open your eyes. It's an unregulated industry and criminals who have been barred from regulated industries or who otherwise can't figure out a way to commit crime without getting caught will flock to us here. They consider this to be the Wild West. Look at how many criminals have prominent roles: JP Cohen, owner of Memory Lane was in jail for fraud and he ended up here. Ken Goldin was convicted of fraud, and he owns an auction house too. Leon Luckey
runs Net 54 and had an auction house: convicted of dealing coke twice, was in jail twice. And he ends up in the hobby where he's still trying to sell stolen cards or shilling his own auctions, when he's not selling his collection and falsely claiming he was doing it for "philanthropic purposes" which really means to pay his bills because he got fired from a job. Where else but this hobby can scumbags like this go and get away with what they get away with?

And this doesn't include all the others who have been convicted of crimes for their actions in the hobby: John Rogers, the Mastro guys, etc.

You have to assume every high grade card is altered and every auction is shilled. And act accordingly.

HarryLime · 06-01-2019, 02:14 PM

Figured I'd take a look at Green Cobbs since I know those became en vogue and shot through the roof. I found 5 examples that are PSA graded that Moser purchased (I haven't started looking at the SGC examples yet). As I started to go back just to quickly see if I could catch him... yahtzee.

PSA 2 Moser bought off PWCC on 12/04/2016 for $2,061.

And here's the PSA 3.5 after Moser worked on it. He sold it through PWCC on 4/09/2017 for $4,827.

You can see the unique vertical scratch on the right side in the green. Guess he couldn't figure out how to color it in. Still an easy $2k.

Arthur

HarryLime · 06-01-2019, 02:34 PM

Oh, here's another.

PSA 2.5 Moser bought off PWCC on 12/10/2017 for $3,977.

Presto-change-O PSA 3 sold via PWCC on 10/14/2018 for $7,067

You can see the unique paper loss quarter-moon sections on Cobb's right tit.

Arthur

pspa123 · 06-01-2019, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

I like this!

You can see how fraud runs so rampant in this hobby if you just open your eyes. It's an unregulated industry and criminals who have been barred from regulated industries or who otherwise can't figure out a way to commit crime without getting caught will flock to us here. They consider this to be the Wild West. Look at how many criminals have prominent roles: JP Cohen, owner of Memory Lane was in jail for fraud and he ended up here. Ken Goldin was convicted of fraud, and he owns an auction house too. Leon Luckey
runs Net 54 and had an auction house: convicted of dealing coke twice, was in jail twice. And he ends up in the hobby where he's still trying to sell stolen cards or shilling his own auctions, when he's not selling his collection and falsely claiming he was doing it for "philanthropic purposes" which really means to pay his bills because he got fired from a job. Where else but this hobby can scumbags like this go and get away with what they get away with?

And this doesn't include all the others who have been convicted of crimes for their actions in the hobby: John Rogers, the Mastro guys, etc.

You have to assume every high grade card is altered and every auction is shilled. And act accordingly.

Jefferson Burdick, Lionel Carter etc. never could have imagined this sh*t. Maybe we need another Forbes puff piece to restore our spirits.

mjohnatgt · 06-01-2019, 02:56 PM

#there's_a_message_board_for_that

corndog · 06-01-2019, 03:40 PM

PSA Cert #27945662

1957 Topps Football Bart Starr RC #119

Value gain of $330.00

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-5 on May 19, 2016 for $615.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1282409
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $945.00 on November 22, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1579947

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify areas of work. Stain reduced and top edge smoothed out. Top right corner sharpened.

05-31-2019, 08:20 PM	#2401
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,859	OOPS... already found by Superdan yesterday. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 05-31-2019 at 09:44 PM.

05-31-2019, 08:47 PM	#2402
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,859	PSA Cert #27898984 1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig #160 Value gain of $2,725.00 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-ALTERED on June 09, 2016 for $825.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1288229 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-4 for $3,550.00 on October 09, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555550 Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red marked areas represent coloring added where the image had been erased to removed a marking. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-01-2019, 05:04 AM	#2407
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,859	Nice find on the Cracker Jack Johnson! __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-01-2019, 06:07 AM	#2408
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,859	PSA Cert #27898984 1912 T227 Series Of Champions Ty Cobb MINERS EXTRA Value gain of $2,371.00 This card was sold by PWCC to an unknown buyer as a SGC-AUTH on May 08, 2016 for $1,780.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1276595 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-3 for $4,151.00 on October 08, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1571983 Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. I cannot see what was done to improve the card. The SGC listing mentions a scuff on the chest but I can't see it with the scans provided. Something was done to allow it to slip through unless PSA is just that bad (likely). __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 06-01-2019 at 06:26 AM.

06-01-2019, 06:10 AM	#2409
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,196	Cobb sold for $1780. Value gain of $2371. __________________ I love PSA!

05-31-2019, 09:50 PM	#2403
SetBuilder Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paradise Posts: 376	Here is a 1914 Cracker Jack Walter Johnson. Purchased in a SGC 1.5 holder on 11/7/2018 for $3,150. Cardtarget link: http://www.cardtarget.com/cards/47647. Then the caramel stains were cleaned off and it got into a PSA 4 holder. Re-sold for $5,225 on 4/9/2019. Value gain:$2,075.

05-31-2019, 09:54 PM	#2404
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,727	Original CJ purchase by .... wait for it ..... 11/7/18 eBay Image pwcc_auctions w***1 21 $3,150.00

05-31-2019, 10:22 PM	#2405
SetBuilder Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paradise Posts: 376	This T206 Mathewson portrait was bumped down a grade by PSA, but the doctor still made a profit. Purchased on Oct 12, 2016 as a PSA 6 for $4,838.88. Link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...son-1834215263. Cleaned a bit, and sold as a PSA 5 on 4/9/2019 for $6,877. Link: http://www.cardtarget.com/cards/160162. Difference of $2,038.12.

06-01-2019, 06:51 AM	#2410
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,727	I think it is more on point to continue to identify cards with obvious alterations; if you start looking for every time SGC and PSA disagreed the thread will lose focus. My two cents.

06-01-2019, 07:28 AM	#2411
tconte Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Marlton, NJ - Less Than an Hour from the Millville Meteor! Posts: 2,036 aconte	Thank goodness I never bought the T227 Cobb. At on time, I really wanted one.

06-01-2019, 07:43 AM	#2412
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,859	PSA Cert #26466905 1948 Leaf Football Ray Evans #72 Value gain of $170.99 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-6 for $209.50 on June 23, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1295728 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8 for $380.49 on February 21, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1430095 Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red squares identify trimming of the left edge. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 06-01-2019 at 07:58 AM.

06-01-2019, 07:53 AM	#2413
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,196	$209.50. Gain of $170.99. __________________ I love PSA!

06-01-2019, 07:54 AM	#2414
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,727	209 on the original purchase. As an aside, you can see how much he likes this card or more likely Leaf in general. Look at all these buys just in this grade. Another search tool perhaps. I would focus on 48 Leaf FB that are low pop in higher grades. Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $168.06 6/23/16 eBay Image pwcc_auctions w*1 15 $209.50 9/13/15 eBay Image just_collect w1 15 $227.50 10/5/13 eBay Image mintstateinc w1 BIN $225.00 4/3/11 eBay Image just_collect w1 15 $271.99 Last edited by pspa123; 06-01-2019 at 07:59 AM.*

06-01-2019, 07:57 AM	#2415
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,625 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Maybe all the dealers should be informed that they should cancel all purchases by Gary Moser... why is his eBay account still active?

06-01-2019, 08:10 AM	#2416
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	..... __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line Last edited by superdan49; 06-14-2019 at 10:16 AM.

06-01-2019, 08:20 AM	#2417
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,727	Someone or someones have a tainted Registry set it seems.

06-01-2019, 09:04 AM	#2418
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,859	PSA Cert #27148667 1973 Topps Roberto Clemente #50 Value gain of $438.25 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-7.5 for $71.75 on June 15, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1291252 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $510.00 on May 25, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1488811 Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red squares identify more than probable coloring in with a light gray of the area where the ink offset during the printing leaving whitish areas and the spot on the helmet. The area on the left white border looks cleaned up. ADDED NOTE: The grade jumped 1.5 points and the reasons are not always easy to see. If they were more obvious they would more than likely be flagged. You have to remember that this is a Moser bought card and we are trying to identify alterations looking at a screen. If the card was in my hand it would be so much easier to spot added color using a printers loupe. I did blow up the area even larger than shown to see if the pixilation blurred and it did. You would be very surprised at how many Moser cards that I have found with grade bumps and I just couldn't see enough to merit posting them. You also need to remember that Moser is not a simple crack and re-subber. He works on his cards. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-01-2019, 09:21 AM	#2419
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,625 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Airing of Grievances: PSA edition https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297252

06-01-2019, 02:14 PM	#2421
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	Figured I'd take a look at Green Cobbs since I know those became en vogue and shot through the roof. I found 5 examples that are PSA graded that Moser purchased (I haven't started looking at the SGC examples yet). As I started to go back just to quickly see if I could catch him... yahtzee. PSA 2 Moser bought off PWCC on 12/04/2016 for $2,061. And here's the PSA 3.5 after Moser worked on it. He sold it through PWCC on 4/09/2017 for $4,827. You can see the unique vertical scratch on the right side in the green. Guess he couldn't figure out how to color it in. Still an easy $2k. Arthur Attached Thumbnails

06-01-2019, 02:34 PM	#2422
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	Oh, here's another. PSA 2.5 Moser bought off PWCC on 12/10/2017 for $3,977. Presto-change-O PSA 3 sold via PWCC on 10/14/2018 for $7,067 You can see the unique paper loss quarter-moon sections on Cobb's right tit. Arthur Attached Thumbnails

06-01-2019, 02:56 PM	#2424
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,625 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	#there's_a_message_board_for_that

06-01-2019, 03:40 PM	#2425
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,859	PSA Cert #27945662 1957 Topps Football Bart Starr RC #119 Value gain of $330.00 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-5 on May 19, 2016 for $615.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1282409 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $945.00 on November 22, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1579947 Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red squares identify areas of work. Stain reduced and top edge smoothed out. Top right corner sharpened. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.