PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[houdini]

Originally Posted by bensie

I heard that Brent and Santa Claus teamed up and have Tupac and Jimmy Hoffa altering cards for them in a secret cave in the Cayman Islands.

Enough of this.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by superdan49

1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Cap Anson PSA Authentic-Altered to PSA 5
Alteration types: Recoloring

Wow! Seeing stuff like this I'd like to see a comment from PSA!

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Wow! Seeing stuff like this I'd like to see a comment from PSA!

I would too. I'll quote my own post just so this does not get lost in the nonsense caused by a certain suspended member.

Originally Posted by superdan49

PSA Cert #:27898943

1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Cap Anson PSA Authentic-Altered to PSA 5
Alteration types: Recoloring

Sold on 3/10/2017 as a PSA Authentic-Altered by Mile High Card Co. to an unknown buyer for $1,702.80
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/8/2017 as a PSA 5 for $5,450.00
Final price: $5,450.00
Value gain: $3,747.20!


This is one of the most egregious examples of PSA failure I've seen. I do not say these words lightly, but whoever graded this card should be reassigned within the company. The original "Authentic-Altered" grade was assigned to this card either due to glue remnants on its back, or someone used a substance other than water to remove it from a scrapbook, leaving those white marks on the back seen in the before photo.

The card doctor cleaned the marks off the back of the card, and then liberally reapplied black color to fill in what could not be cleaned off. I highlighted areas with green boxes that are definitively recolored based on the scans. I am certain the back edges were also recolored in areas to help provide the dramatic grade jump earned by this card. The red boxes are marks of wear and/or print marks used to prove the cards are one and the same. The blue box shows a detailed look at one such area of recoloring on the reverse. This card was submitted to me for posting by a longtime Net54 member who lurks on Blowout.

The identity of this card doctor will be revealed when Mile High turns over transaction records for this card to the FBI.



PSA Auth-Altered: http://www.milehighcardco.com/1895_m...-lot48877.aspx
PSA 5: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555124

[pspa123]

It probably won't be revealed even if the FBI gets the records. I don't think the FBI revealed anything in the WIWAG scandal, and it may not be its role. Of course Mile High could identify the buyer but it's more important to protect a card doctor.

[KhalDrogo]

That Cap is an embarrassment to PSA. Alter and alter card and get an unaltered card? Two negatives make a positive I guess.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

That Cap is an embarrassment to PSA. Alter and alter card and get an unaltered card? Two negatives make a positive I guess.

No it was unaltered. LOL. Actually it looks trimmed to begin with.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by houdini

Enough of this.

Thank you Houdini.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by pspa123

No it was unaltered. LOL. Actually it looks trimmed to begin with.

Yeah I had another prewar guy just contact me and said it was likely a trim job that earned it the altered label to begin with, although he said you can't tell definitively if that is the case from only the scans.

He said glue residue alone will not be the cause of an altered label, so that is an argument in favor of trimming being the reason for the original PSA labeling.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by superdan49

PSA Cert #:27898943

1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Cap Anson PSA Authentic-Altered to PSA 5
Alteration types: Recoloring

Sold on 3/10/2017 as a PSA Authentic-Altered by Mile High Card Co. to an unknown buyer for $1,702.80
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/8/2017 as a PSA 5 for $5,450.00
Final price: $5,450.00
Value gain: $3,747.20!


This is one of the most egregious examples of PSA failure I've seen. I do not say these words lightly, but whoever graded this card should be reassigned within the company. The original "Authentic-Altered" grade was assigned to this card either due to glue remnants on its back, or someone used a substance other than water to remove it from a scrapbook, leaving those white marks on the back seen in the before photo.

The card doctor cleaned the marks off the back of the card, and then liberally reapplied black color to fill in what could not be cleaned off. I highlighted areas with green boxes that are definitively recolored based on the scans. I am certain the back edges were also recolored in areas to help provide the dramatic grade jump earned by this card. The red boxes are marks of wear and/or print marks used to prove the cards are one and the same. The blue box shows a detailed look at one such area of recoloring on the reverse. This card was submitted to me for posting by a longtime Net54 member who lurks on Blowout.

The identity of this card doctor will be revealed when Mile High turns over transaction records for this card to the FBI.



PSA Auth-Altered: http://www.milehighcardco.com/1895_m...-lot48877.aspx
PSA 5: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555124

lololol.


PSA is clearly trolling us all.

[KhalDrogo]

There are only 30 copies of that card graded by PSA. I’m sure some crack and reslabs too. That is a shame. Destroying a card that’s almost 125 years old.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by superdan49

I would too. I'll quote my own post just so this does not get lost in the nonsense caused by a certain suspended member.

This is absolutely terrible.


You know how you have to pay extra if PSA gives your card a high grade and you didn't pay enough for the service? PSA should give whoever bought this card extra for missing the obvious restoration job.

[NorCalSCM]

This is better than any TV show. Thanks everyone!

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Disgusting. He must really think he’s bulletproof.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Nope. Brent is too busy having his number 1 whore Leon posting love notes to PWCC instead:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=268897

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Leon has kicked off Net 54 nearly every critic of any of his advertisers. He has no job and as a twice convicted drug dealer won’t be getting one anytime soon, making him a slave to advertiser money. So now the board is a wasteland of $40 card buyers with very little uncensored mention of fraud. All of the people who uncover fraud are here now. The guy who discovered the fake signed T206 scam? Banned by Leon. He has admitted that Brent is his biggest advertiser and Brent is paying Leon to keep things under control. So Blowout is really the only place on the internet where fraud can be exposed and discussed. We’re lucky we have this forum.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

I can’t think of ever hearing a bad word about Novella. I’ve also never heard a good word about Brent other than from those who are paid to do so.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Yes that’s fair although I don’t think he will provide a list of all consignments. Of course PWCC will do nothing other than staying one step ahead of the posse.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Really? He just banned a ten year member and erased his post in which he brought up PWCC’s massive fraud. You’re dreaming if you think Leon has not done all he can to stop any criticism of PWCC.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

He is banning people like crazy in an effort to kill any criticism of PWCC. Brent must be torturing him today and threatening to cut off his monthly hush payment. Leon may have to get a job or start dealing drugs again if he loses that money.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Ten years on Net 54 and he’s banned because he mentioned that PWCC is engaging in fraud. Leon is an idiot. He bans people and they all come back with new names and he’s too dumb and lazy to figure it out. Considering he got fired from his last job years ago you’d think he’d have more time on his hands. But committing fraud and covering up fraud is a full time job.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

All you did was note that PWCC is involved in fraud. Funny, the self-proclaimed biggest fraud fighter in the hobby is stopping as much discussion about PWCC fraud as possible. He’s already banned nearly every member who brings up any fraud of his advertisers. You were easy because you’re not a well-known member and he figured no one would notice. He even threatened the guy who posted after you because he quoted your fraud comments. Leon then went in himself and deleted the quote from the guy’s post and forced the guy to delete his comment that PWCC is an advertiser.

Clearly Brent is screaming at him to stop the discussions as Leon seems to be unraveling. You’d think he wouldn’t be such a wuss considering he’s been in jail for drug dealing. I guess that made him even softer than he is: no job, knee-deep in his own shill bidding as we saw on Blowout and fraud with his friends and now covering up for Brent. Disgusting.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Yes but look at the bright side. Luckey isn’t selling coke anymore. I mean that we know of.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

You're a convicted drug dealer. In America that also means criminal.

And the garbage you posted above doesn't explain why Jim's bad phone number caused you to delete the comment that PWCC is a Net 54 advertiser from the next guy who posted. Who apparently is a member in good standing. But according to you if you're a member in good standing you can "say whatever you want." Liar.

The only people you checked up on yesterday for "registration issues" are two guys who ripped PWCC and your taking ad money from PWCC. But Brent didn't call you at all, no way no how.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Here's Leon admitting to shill bidding. Life comes at you fast when you're a dishonest, unemployed, convicted drug dealer who lies all day. Oh and the best one was when he sold his collection and had Heritage claim it was for "philanthropic reasons." Like paying his bills. Scumbags gotta scumbag.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1277651

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

There are dozens of similar marks on each card. It's the same card.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Yes, and it was for speaking ill of one of Leon's advertisers that you got the boot. How dare you point out fraud by one of his meal tickets? You can't expect him to get a job, can you? Yeap.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Jim's name was by his post the entire time. He was banned for being the 198th person that day to criticize PWCC's fraud.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

With an unemployed hillbilly drug dealer.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

This is true. PSA is incompetent and negligent until proof can be shown otherwise. They provide a sheen of authority with their slabs but clearly are clueless in how to spot altered cards. The targets here are Gary Moser and Brent Huigens. If they were smart, one of them would contact an attorney and offer up the other one. They're not so I suspect their cooperation won't come until they're sure they're about to be arrested.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Brent is obviously an idiot (hi Brent) but at some point you'd figure he'd hire a competent attorney who will tell him to shut up.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

From coke dealer Leon on Net 54, who apparently is now Brent's mouthpiece (but he has no conflict of interest):

"There was no need to try to redefine what the hobby already accepts and doesn't accept, concerning alterations, and I told Brent that. He should also, immediately, distance himself from any known card doctors or trimmers (really from day one but it seems that ship has sailed). It is a shame too because I still feel PWCC is doing some great stuff that will help the hobby mature.

People have also taken a lot of things out of context. Brent feels trimming is bad. He feels flattening a card and trimming it is bad. He feels using a solvent is better than water as water can be more damaging, he states. I told him that the hobby has tacitly accepted water but nothing else."

How does this guy not get struck by a bolt of lightening for lying so easily?

Hey dummy: Brent is in bed with Moser and has been for years. And he knows full well that he's sold trimmed and altered cards.

Oh and Leon telling Brent to distance himself from criminals in the hobby is a hoot -- that's all who Leon surrounds himself with.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Still can't get over this whopper of a lie from Coke Dealer Leon (hi dummy):

"It is a shame too because I still feel PWCC is doing some great stuff that will help the hobby mature."

Yes so much great stuff.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Brent trying to change federal statute of limitations rules by his new post on Net 54:

We at PWCC will not tolerate our brand’s use as a front for bad behavior. That day is over. Today is a new day, based on facts and enforceable policies for which we expect the entire market to hold us accountable.

Prior sale research by dedicated hobbyists in the marketplace using our Auction Sales History, Worth Point, and other resources has given rise to a new level of oversight. We now have the grounds to take a public stance without concern that altered assets will simply flow to another venue for sale.

The grading companies need the help and patience of the market as we collectively aid growth and refine procedures and oversight. We feel they do a tremendous job handling a very difficult and demanding task and our market benefits greatly from their service. The grading companies are owed more from those of us who sell their products, and we must collectively take action to protect the market.

PWCC will officially cease working with any individual who has a proven track record of consistently hurting trust in the marketplace, the brand of PWCC, or the reputations of the grading companies upon which our market is based. We will collaborate with the grading companies to ensure bad actors are flagged, uniformly known, and that all is done to prevent them from affecting our market. PWCC will not work with any individuals whom the grading companies have banned, regardless of their individual track record with PWCC.

We are proud to announce the PWCC Marketplace Tenets which describe the basis that PWCC will operate moving forward. It also includes the PWCC Marketplace Guarantee, which asserts that any professionally-graded item previously sold by PWCC and later proven altered will be eligible for a full refund of the original purchase price. Any items flagged for alteration in current possession of PWCC will be removed from the marketplace. In both cases, PWCC will work with both our submitters, buyers and the grading companies to review the item, and if confirmed to be altered, remove those items from circulation and ensure our customers receive the proper support throughout the process.

There will always be individuals looking to take advantage of any market. We at PWCC are now in a position to do something proactive and protect our brand and the larger marketplace.

We welcome feedback. Please email me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com anytime.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Even though PSA is fully aware that Brent is working with Gary Moser to defraud PSA (and many others). Nice hobby.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Brent, you're not grateful at all. You were caught and now you're shitting your pants. Probably time to hire a criminal attorney and stop trying to fix this yourself, because you're not as smart as you are dishonest.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

These are common criminals and you expect them not to act as such? They have come on this thread and lied their asses off. And people are shocked that they’re destroying evidence? This is what criminals do.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Did you hear the sound of uncontrollable diarrhea in the background?

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Anyone who thinks Brent (hi Brent) isn’t sincere in doing neat things for the hobby is an idiot. Yeap.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Here's what Leon at Net 54 has to say about Blowout and the work being done here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...4&postcount=93

"A lot of what is posted over there is fact BUT a lot of it is conjecture too. With absolutely no accountability they can say anything at all, lies and falsehoods included, and not worry about any repercussions. Again, some of them do great stuff and are factual....and some of them are trolls and criminals just lying out of their pie holes. I think that is the reason some things don't get traction, because they are fallacies from anonymous idiots."

Keeping in mind that he's a shill bidder and a convicted criminal himself.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

For the Net 54 guys here, what would Brent or any advertiser have to do for Leon Luckey to not accept their money? Obviously dealing drugs isn’t an issue as Leon has been to jail twice for that. But what type of fraud is too much? And obviously not shill bidding or selling stolen cards as Leon has done all of that too.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

How is Moser packaging the altered cards in submissions? Burying them amongst legitimate cards or sending them in by themselves or with just an additional card or two?

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Where is that idiot Brady Hill? Is he on BO telling us all what a visionary Brent is?

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Look, we saw this with Mastro and we're seeing it again with Brent. People are either paid by Brent directly (Leon) to defend him even though it's obvious fraud is occurring. Not just defend him but actively try to stop people from talking about the fraud as we've seen with Leon and that idiot Martin on Net 54. While I don't know if Martin is paid directly like Leon is, there also is that other idiot Jesse who will go to his grave claiming Brent is clean probably due to making money off consignments to Brent which have done "well." No sane person will defend Brent unless there is money to be made for doing it. Why do you think Leon wrote a letter in support of Mastro for his sentencing?

If Bobby has been bought by Brent in order to hinder the investigation, he needs to be shunned. There is other pricing software out there and people need to let him know this will cost him.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Meanwhile over on Net 54, a newbie is unaware that Leon bans people who dare bring up his receiving lots of money from Brent to censor talk about Brent's crimes. Suddenly, Leon, who has not been heard of about Brent in weeks, swoops in:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...&postcount=168

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Well, since the only people whose bona fides are checked are the ones who note Leon’s hypocrisy and Brent’s crimes, you may be right.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...&postcount=170

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

This is a PSA problem more than PWCC. Brent is one dealer. PSA is allowing the most obviously altered cards, tens of millions of dollars worth, to flow into the market. If their guarantee is honored completely on all of these cards, CLCT will cease to exist. Which means they won’t honor it.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

As we know a handful of major card doctors. Putting them out of business or in jail won’t end card doctoring unfortunately. PSA making less like Stevie Wonder when grading cards will help.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

RICO? Like what the Feds use for the mafia? A regular fraud indictment isn’t enough?

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

And the doctors will surely find another outlet when PWCC stops.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Same with a federal wire fraud conspiracy.

Are you a lawyer? Why don’t you sue someone!

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

If only we had a damn class actions lawyer! My Uncle Tom was one. Wish he was
around now.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Damn. I done Stepin in it now.

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

I like this!

You can see how fraud runs so rampant in this hobby if you just open your eyes. It's an unregulated industry and criminals who have been barred from regulated industries or who otherwise can't figure out a way to commit crime without getting caught will flock to us here. They consider this to be the Wild West. Look at how many criminals have prominent roles: JP Cohen, owner of Memory Lane was in jail for fraud and he ended up here. Ken Goldin was convicted of fraud, and he owns an auction house too. Leon Luckey
runs Net 54 and had an auction house: convicted of dealing coke twice, was in jail twice. And he ends up in the hobby where he's still trying to sell stolen cards or shilling his own auctions, when he's not selling his collection and falsely claiming he was doing it for "philanthropic purposes" which really means to pay his bills because he got fired from a job. Where else but this hobby can scumbags like this go and get away with what they get away with?

And this doesn't include all the others who have been convicted of crimes for their actions in the hobby: John Rogers, the Mastro guys, etc.

You have to assume every high grade card is altered and every auction is shilled. And act accordingly.

Quoted.

[superdan49]

Didn't someone say TheRealDeal was that guy Fudd who got banned? Doesn't that make TheRealDeal a PBM then?

Maybe Leon should call PWCC and see if he can hire Lichtman as well to sue TheRealDeal for libel. Of course if TheRealDeal is speaking the truth about Leon, then there's no case.

[3124508 on COMC]

I like how Leon uses TheRealDeal to bash BO...true hilarity right there.

[ThoseBackPages]

BO is a threat, for sure

[ninjacookies]

^^ lolol.


I must be crazy in thinking it's ridiculous that PWCC is allowed to keep running his business as usual even after the feds have made their presence known and court dates posted We're not naive...there's no way in hell more altered/trimmed cards aren't being auctioned off/shilled daily under their moniker.

Are insider traders allowed to keep opening long/short positions...are drug dealers still allowed to sneak product on barges? Why is the PWCC ebay account not (at least) temporarily suspended?

[palmetto7]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

^^ lolol.


I must be crazy in thinking it's ridiculous that PWCC is allowed to keep running his business as usual even after the feds have made their presence known and court dates posted We're not naive...there's no way in hell more altered/trimmed cards aren't being auctioned off/shilled daily under their moniker.

Are insider traders allowed to keep opening long/short positions...are drug dealers still allowed to sneak product on barges? Why is the PWCC ebay account not (at least) temporarily suspended?

and why in the world would anyone give them any business? I have them and Probstein and all the other clowns entered into my blocked bidder buyer list.....why do I still see their auctions (meaning pwcc and probstein) under these conditions?

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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by palmetto7

and why in the world would anyone give them any business? I have them and Probstein and all the other clowns entered into my blocked bidder buyer list.....why do I still see their auctions (meaning pwcc and probstein) under these conditions?

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You can’t block sellers from seeing their auctions. But you could add -PWCC -probstein to all of your searches.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

^^ lolol.


I must be crazy in thinking it's ridiculous that PWCC is allowed to keep running his business as usual even after the feds have made their presence known and court dates posted We're not naive...there's no way in hell more altered/trimmed cards aren't being auctioned off/shilled daily under their moniker.

Are insider traders allowed to keep opening long/short positions...are drug dealers still allowed to sneak product on barges? Why is the PWCC ebay account not (at least) temporarily suspended?

Money. The answer to most why questions in this industry.

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:26675877

1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Kid Nichols PSA 4 MK to PSA 5
Alteration types: Recoloring, mark removal

Sold on 8/15/2015 as a PSA 4 MK by Memory Lane Inc. to an unknown buyer for $2,499.94
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 3/13/2017 as a PSA 5 for $5,351.00
Final price: $5,351.00
Value gain: $2,851.06!


This is another N300 Mayo card sold through PWCC Auctions that features recoloring. On the front there has been a mark removed, which is highlighted in green. That mark was the reason for the original MK, or mark, qualifier. This removal is a gray area, and I would not have posted this card were this the only problem.

However, the card doctor decided to recolor some of the chipping and fraying areas on the black-colored back, which is evident especially on the top and left edges of the card. Once again, this is a big-time miss by PSA and a big-time fraud on the part of the card doctor. Red circles on the front show marks unique to this card, proving both the PSA 4 MK and PSA 5 are the same. The tip for this card came in from the same prewar collector who found the N300 Anson.

To my knowledge, this is the first time the PWCC pre-war doctor has bought from Memory Lane Inc. Finally, it should be noted that the PSA 5 example sold through PWCC does not appear in the PWCC Auction Archive (it was uncovered using WorthPoint). Why is that, PWCC?



PSA 4 MK: https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=36575
PSA 5: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ols-1854702866

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Finally, it should be noted that the PSA 5 example sold through PWCC does not appear in the PWCC Auction Archive (it was uncovered using WorthPoint). Why is that, PWCC?

Any other examples of this? It does not appear in the Marketplace Research either. So likely was not paid for. But it does appear when you download the Excel spreadsheet for 2017 Auction #2. Here is the auction link to the completed sale. If you try to access the original auction page through this link, it no longer exists, which indicates it wasn’t paid for.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=401284759217

Was able to find the bidding history link.

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/401284759217

[KhalDrogo]

I don't know what this means, but I found this interesting.

In that 2017 Auction #2, there were four 1895 N300 cards.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/sale...ms_per_page=50

142299109065 Mar 12, 2017 1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Cap Anson PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC) 38 $4,350.00
351995734804 Mar 12, 2017 1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Charlie Ganzel PSA 5 EX (PWCC) 19 $730.00
401284759217 Mar 12, 2017 1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Kid Nichols PSA 5 EX (PWCC) 43 $5,351.00
351995734906 Mar 12, 2017 1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Germany Smith PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC) 18 $325.00

The Nichols that Dan found is the only one that does not show on the PWCC Auction Archive page or the Market Price Research page. But the auction # provided in PWCC's Excel spreadsheet did give me access to bidding page via Watchcount. The other three do not exist and cannot be accessed. Very strange.

[ninjacookies]

Seems as though PWCC may be selectively removing or omitting certain auctions that could hold damning evidence against them.

Hopefully one of our brilliant resident detectives will unearth some more groundbreaking stuff.

Or maybe it's just one big coincidence. Mistakes happen. We've all forgotten where we misplaced our car keys. Once, twice...a couple thousand times.

Salt of the universe.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

^^ lolol.


I must be crazy in thinking it's ridiculous that PWCC is allowed to keep running his business as usual even after the feds have made their presence known and court dates posted We're not naive...there's no way in hell more altered/trimmed cards aren't being auctioned off/shilled daily under their moniker.

Are insider traders allowed to keep opening long/short positions...are drug dealers still allowed to sneak product on barges? Why is the PWCC ebay account not (at least) temporarily suspended?

I wouldnt send anything to them for consignment right now, too risky.