Seattle Mariners Thread

[NeedChapmans]

Chris Denorfia coming to Seattle ... (Means no Alex Rios).

David Price / Asdrubal Cabrera the other pieces remaining.

[billbanning]

Chris Denorfia coming to Seattle ...

Hopefully for next to nothing

[NeedChapmans]

Hopefully for next to nothing

The upside is you know what you're gonna get. From Petco to SafeCo ... hitting conditions awfully similar.

[Devi8or]

Don't know much about Denorfia.....I feel underwhelmed so far...is that the correct feeling I should be having? lol

[jason122883]

Chris Denorfia coming to Seattle ... (Means no Alex Rios).

David Price / Asdrubal Cabrera the other pieces remaining.

LOL. No matter what we gave up, it was probably too much

[trixstar]

I know he's a career .300 hitter vs lefties but that's about it. He's a FA next year anyway, hopefully we didn't give up much.

[NeedChapmans]

Don't know much about Denorfia.....I feel underwhelmed so far...is that the correct feeling I should be having? lol

He's a career .275 hitter, batting only .245 this season but was hurt early in the season.

It's a small upgrade in the hole that has been RF this season. And it's a RH bat in the outfield.

[Devi8or]

He's a career .275 hitter, batting only .245 this season but was hurt early in the season.

It's a small upgrade in the hole that has been RF this season. And it's a RH bat in the outfield.

I figured he would be an upgrade over Endy.....that's not saying much, but let's see what the deal was

apparently he's a FA after the season too

[trixstar]

Rosenthal stating it's for Almonte and "a minor-league pitcher"

[NeedChapmans]

Rosenthal stating it's for Almonte and "a minor-league pitcher"

Well you have to like that. Almonte in spacious Petco ... enjoy the routes Padres.

[Devi8or]

so is this the end of Endy? Or an open spot back in Tacoma for James Jones?

[trixstar]

Pitcher is Stephen Kohlscheen

[NeedChapmans]

so is this the end of Endy? Or an open spot back in Tacoma for James Jones?

It's probably the end of James Jones as Denorfia can play CF.

Minor league pitcher was Stephen Kohlscheen. (26 year old reliever in AAA)

[NeedChapmans]

Heyman tweeted that Paxton is the guy everyone wants ... not Walker.

Damn you Walker for sucking (And I can't believe I'm saying this, I agree with Jack Z not to give him up).

[NeedChapmans]

Price between Seattle, STL, and DET.

Ohhhh boy.

[trixstar]

I don't want to give up Paxton for him.

[jason122883]

I'd love to get him and Zobrist together

[NeedChapmans]

I don't want to give up Paxton for him.

I know you say that with the future in mind.

But for the next three months, you won't mind.

[Devi8or]

I don't want to give up Paxton for him.

Honestly, I would strongly consider it. Paxton may end up being really good, but we already know David Price IS REALLY REALLY GOOD

such a tough decision to make, but Price is Price for a reason

[jason122883]

It would be pointless to get him without a bat though. Our pitching isn't the problem

[NeedChapmans]

It would be pointless to get him without a bat though. Our pitching isn't the problem

Elias is running out of innings ... he's going to be replaced with someone (Walker or Ramirez right now). Considering how good Price has been at Safeco; you take it.

So few bats available right now; If you can squeeze in a SS or another OF bat, you make the trade.

[NeedChapmans]

Asdrubal Cabrera to WAS. One less player to face tonight.

[jason122883]

Cabrera to the nationals... yuck

[tdc101]

It would be pointless to get him without a bat though. Our pitching isn't the problem

EXACTLY!!! The pitching has been great this year and they have done their job. The offense has been putrid. What good is it to bring in Price when you can't score any runs for him?? Like last night with Felix losing 2-0.

[jason122883]

If we only made the one move, Jack Z needs to go the day after the season ends

[NeedChapmans]

If we only made the one move, Jack Z needs to go the day after the season ends

Well, looks like the Tigers got David Price ... but the Mariners were involved.

[Devi8or]

Supposedly involved w the Detroit and Tampa in a 3 way trade with Price to Detroit. Who do we expect back from Detroit?

[Devi8or]

Sounds like Austin Jackson

[jason122883]

Hopefully a good bat

[NeedChapmans]

Supposedly involved w the Detroit and Tampa in a 3 way trade with Price to Detroit. Who do we expect back from Detroit?

I say Torri Hunter.

[NeedChapmans]

Sounds like Austin Jackson

I'd be OK with that too. Coming off a red hot July (which only shows potential, not what August and September look like).

[Devi8or]

I'd be OK with that too.

No word on what we're giving up, they're saying Rays are getting 1 or 2 major leaguers in the trade

[NeedChapmans]

No word on what we're giving up, they're saying Rays are getting 1 or 2 major leaguers in the trade

No one pulled from the DET game today.

I'm puzzled.

[tsnider45]

Would have to think porcello is in the deal since they let smyly take the hill today.

[trixstar]

Heyman is saying Jackson and Smyly are in the deal. Nick Franklin goes to the Rays

[NeedChapmans]

No one pulled from the DET game today.

I'm puzzled.

Heyman says Austin Jackson. That's pretty sweet if you ask me.

[NeedChapmans]

Austin Jackson getting a standing ovation being pulled ...

Depending on what Jack gave up for JAckson beyond Franklin ... that's one hell of an upgrade.

[trixstar]

Jackson for only Franklin, I am very happy with that.

[Devi8or]

I'm happy with this trade, Franklin was blocked and Jackson is a nice upgrade in center

So I guess it's Ackley, Jackson, Denorfia

[jason122883]

Jackson for only Franklin, I am very happy with that.

If so, Me too

[NeedChapmans]

Jackson for only Franklin, I am very happy with that.

Hold your horses ... what else did TB get from SEA?

Has to be more than that. Smyly and Franklin for Price?

[NeedChapmans]

Wow. Wow. Walker and Paxton nowhere, and the Mariners get Jackson.

I'm impressed. That seems like theft.

[trixstar]

Has to be more somewhere..just that seems so cheap for Price.

[NeedChapmans]

Has to be more somewhere..just that seems so cheap for Price.

Heh, I know right? Another year of control and all you get is Franklin and Smyly?

[JKS4]

Franklin and Walker for Austin Jackson?

[4mightyQuinn]

ya keep Paxton, drop walker

[JKS4]

T Walker to the Rays as well....

[razorsharp]

Wow, Seattle deals Franklin and Walker and all they get back is Austin Jackson?

[NeedChapmans]

Wow, Seattle deals Franklin and Walker and all they get back is Austin Jackson?

T Walker to the Rays as well....

NO TAIJUAN WALKER.

Just Nick Franklin.

[Devi8or]

They just said Mariners get Jackson and Smyly.... Not sure how true. That would mean Walker would be gone

Edit: just read only Franklin and Jackson fir Seattle

[NeedChapmans]

Jon Heyman - Mariners got austin jackson and send franklin to tampa. thats all of seattle's involvement.

[trixstar]

@JonHeymanCBS: mariners got austin jackson and send franklin to tampa. thats all of seattle's involvement.

[jason122883]

They say no walker

[NeedChapmans]

Comon guys ... give your props to Jack Z for this one. I wanna see a round of applause from everyone in the thread.

[trixstar]

So Tigers and M's win and Rays fail in this trade. Of course knowing the history of players we give up Franklin will end up a 10 year All-Star at 2b

[NeedChapmans]

So Tigers and M's win and Rays fail in this trade. Of course knowing the history of players we give up Franklin will end up a 10 year All-Star at 2b

HA. That is never going to happen!

[trixstar]

Jack Z



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[jason122883]

It sounds like that's all we gave. Yes Jack did great on this one

[NeedChapmans]

It sounds like that's all we gave. Yes Jack did great on this one

There were so few RH bats available, to grab Jackson from what seems to be thin air AND fix the hole in CF with + defense.

For Nick Franklin? WTH was Tampa doing?

[horton]

Jack pulled it off, that is a huge upgrade over Jones if the reports of only Franklin going from Seattle then WOW. I will be in Seattle this Sunday going to Wed game can't wait

[death2redemptions]

Austin Jackson is a great piece for the Mariners and they barely had to give up anything for him!

[Devi8or]

I'm pretty excited for Jackson. He may not solve all our needs, but with him and Denorfia it's at least an upgrade. Saunders is very close to coming back too

Maybe Taijuan can get into form now that he knows he's safe in Seattle... For now at least

[NeedChapmans]

I'm pretty excited for Jackson. He may not solve all our needs, but with him and Denorfia it's at least an upgrade. Saunders is very close to coming back too

Maybe Taijuan can get into form now that he knows he's safe in Seattle... For now at least

He'll be needed down the stretch for certain. But his last start at AAA was pretty lousy ... dude needs to put his game face on.

[ksmith31]

Im sorry but I'm not applauding Jack Z for this.

Why not just trade Walker and Franklin for Price?

Jackson is a good addition sure, but he won't be a Mariner after a couple seasons more than likely.

This is just another typical Jack Z move. A smaller move to give fans false hope but never make a move that will truly elevate them. He does just enough to keep his job and that's it.

[jason122883]

Looks like the Tigers gave up a SS too

[NeedChapmans]

Im sorry but I'm not applauding Jack Z for this.

Why not just trade Walker and Franklin for Price?

Jackson is a good addition sure, but he won't be a Mariner after a couple seasons more than likely.

This is just another typical Jack Z move. A smaller move to give fans false hope but never make a move that will truly elevate them. He does just enough to keep his job and that's it.

Because you may not get to re-sign Price, and you keep Walker for bigger and better things in the future (and it does not upgrade the offense, which was the bigger problem). Replace James Jones and Endy Chavez with Austin Jackson and Chris Denorfia. Defense improves, offense improves.

It makes Seattle better now, and in the future. The future was not mortgaged ...

[mcguirem13]

Im sorry but I'm not applauding Jack Z for this.

Why not just trade Walker and Franklin for Price?

Jackson is a good addition sure, but he won't be a Mariner after a couple seasons more than likely.

This is just another typical Jack Z move. A smaller move to give fans false hope but never make a move that will truly elevate them. He does just enough to keep his job and that's it.

So you're unhappy that we traded for a hitter, which we need more an arm, because he won't probably won't be here after a couple years? You do realize Price is a rental too but a much shorter and costly one?

[Devi8or]

Im sorry but I'm not applauding Jack Z for this.

Why not just trade Walker and Franklin for Price?

Jackson is a good addition sure, but he won't be a Mariner after a couple seasons more than likely.

This is just another typical Jack Z move. A smaller move to give fans false hope but never make a move that will truly elevate them. He does just enough to keep his job and that's it.

We have no idea if Tampa even wanted to do a Walker/Franklin deal for Price. You say Jackson won't be a Mariner after a couple of season, but yet you assum Price would have been?

It's a good deal for the Mariners, they get a bat that they needed for minimal in return and continue on with our rotation as it is with Paxton coming back

[billbanning]

Im sorry but I'm not applauding Jack Z for this.

Why not just trade Walker and Franklin for Price?

Jackson is a good addition sure, but he won't be a Mariner after a couple seasons more than likely.

This is just another typical Jack Z move. A smaller move to give fans false hope but never make a move that will truly elevate them. He does just enough to keep his job and that's it.

I'm glad we didn't overpay for Price, there's no telling how a new team would shake him up. That being said I think Jack did a great job getting the most bang for his buck, really happy to see a true lead off hitter again.

[Devi8or]

I'm glad we didn't overpay for Price, there's no telling how a new team would shake him up. That being said I think Jack did a great job getting the most bang for his buck, really happy to see a true lead off hitter again.

not only that, I'm sure Lloyd is thrilled to have Jackson back under his wing. He knows exactly what he's getting in return having been in Detroit for years

[ksmith31]

You guys are all missing the point. Mariners claim to want to compete....Jackson and Denorfia don't make them any better than the teams they are competing with. Yankees got Drew and Prado, better acquisitions than the Mariners, and they are tied with Mariners right now.

If they truly were about competing and making the playoffs, you take the shot at getting Price. A slight offensive boost won't make up the impact Price would of had on the rotation.

Just another year where they will miss the playoffs, get rid of all the players they brought in the previous year, and be back to square one.

[NeedChapmans]

You guys are all missing the point. Mariners claim to want to compete....Jackson and Denorfia don't make them any better than the teams they are competing with. Yankees got Drew and Prado, better acquisitions than the Mariners, and they are tied with Mariners right now.

If they truly were about competing and making the playoffs, you take the shot at getting Price. A slight offensive boost won't make up the impact Price would of had on the rotation.

Just another year where they will miss the playoffs, get rid of all the players they brought in the previous year, and be back to square one.

Everything else you said is irrelevant. Stephen Drew has been God awful this year and Martin Prado will have to play the OF (and will be quite terrible out there).

Mariners had big holes in CF and RF, and now they do not. And they gave up nothing to fill them; you can't argue the moves.

[ksmith31]

Everything else you said is irrelevant. Stephen Drew has been God awful this year and Martin Prado will have to play the OF (and will be quite terrible out there).

Mariners had big holes in CF and RF, and now they do not. And they gave up nothing to fill them; you can't argue the moves.


You really think Chris Denorfia is an upgrade? lol. Delusional.

Sure you can't argue the moves, but I can argue the fact that once again Jack Z is doing just enough to skate by and keep his job for another season.

The false hope is unreal.

[NeedChapmans]

You really think Chris Denorfia is an upgrade? lol. Delusional.

Sure you can't argue the moves, but I can argue the fact that once again Jack Z is doing just enough to skate by and keep his job for another season.

The false hope is unreal.

Are you watching the Mariners? Have you seen Corey Hart play right field?

Denorfia is an older OF, but has hit for a very solid AVG while in SD. That translates well to SEA, when Saunders returns, Seattle will have a REAL OUTFIELD. Watching the defense out there all year has been brutal.

[ksmith31]

Are you watching the Mariners? Have you seen Corey Hart play right field?

Denorfia is an older OF, but has hit for a very solid AVG while in SD. That translates well to SEA, when Saunders returns, Seattle will have a REAL OUTFIELD. Watching the defense out there all year has been brutal.

I live in Seattle...I watch the Mariners everyday...Corey Hart has only played RF 6 times this year...so that's irrelevant.

And yea you are totally right about Denorfia...his .242 and 1 HR will translate to Seattle really well!

[NeedChapmans]

I live in Seattle...I watch the Mariners everyday...Corey Hart has only played RF 6 times this year...so that's irrelevant.

And yea you are totally right about Denorfia...his .242 and 1 HR will translate to Seattle really well!

Knock it all you want, he's much better.

(OK, have you watched Stefen Romero play RF? Solid .196 avg this year).

[ksmith31]

So you are now resorting to calling out Stefen Romero? A guy who is a platoon at best and really needs to be back in AAA but injuries are keeping him up.

Now I know you are running out of options.

[NeedChapmans]

So you are now resorting to calling out Stefen Romero? A guy who is a platoon at best and really needs to be back in AAA but injuries are keeping him up.

Now I know you are running out of options.

My point exactly. The Mariners had no real outfielders, and now they have two.

Here ... find one other fan out of the 1,000 that will comment that thinks this wasn't a good idea.

Mariners acquire Austin Jackson in three-way trade with Detroit Tigers and Tampa Bay Rays - Lookout Landing (http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/7/31/5956749/mariners-acquire-austin-jackson-in-three-way-trade-with-detroit)

[tazzy13]

Austin Jackson= outstanding pickup. Especially for what was given up.

[ksmith31]

Again you are ignoring the facts of my argument to seem right. Not arguing Jackson isnt an upgrade (Denorfia is barely one if at all, I lean towards not being any at all). I am saying these moves don't give the Mariners anything that will truly help separate themselves from the other teams competing for the 2nd wild card spot.

It's what Jack Z does every year. All of these guys will be gone within the next 2 years guaranteed.

[NeedChapmans]

Again you are ignoring the facts of my argument to seem right. Not arguing Jackson isnt an upgrade (Denorfia is barely one if at all, I lean towards not being any at all). I am saying these moves don't give the Mariners anything that will truly help separate themselves from the other teams competing for the 2nd wild card spot.

It's what Jack Z does every year. All of these guys will be gone within the next 2 years guaranteed.

Seattle has the #1 staff in baseball. They have the #28 offense in a lot of areas. Without trading any of their future, they upgraded the offense, an area that was thought to have been tough to upgrade because so few quality players were on the market.

Austin Jackson was not on the market, but outside of Cespedes, it would be hard to argue he was not the next best position player picked up today. The trade was a creative way to bring in an OF that was desperately needed, with another year of control, all for Nick Franklin.

It's a big win any way you look at it. Makes Seattle better not only in 2014, but 2015, and if they get him re-signed, it's the best move Jack has made in his career.

[AK1982]

My point exactly. The Mariners had no real outfielders, and now they have two.

Here ... find one other fan out of the 1,000 that will comment that thinks this wasn't a good idea.

Mariners acquire Austin Jackson in three-way trade with Detroit Tigers and Tampa Bay Rays - Lookout Landing (http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/7/31/5956749/mariners-acquire-austin-jackson-in-three-way-trade-with-detroit)

IMO, If the Mariners actually gave Stefen Romero more time to play, his average would improve. It's got to be hard playing once every 3 or 4 days and some of those days just coming in for a 1 at bat a game.

[NeedChapmans]

IMO, If the Mariners actually gave Stefen Romero more time to play, his average would improve. It's got to be hard playing once every 3 or 4 days and some of those days just coming in for a 1 at bat a game.

I agree Romero is better, but when your in a race, it's hard to give a rookie who has a .240 OBP more time. Romero isn't a heralded prospect, most managers go with the veteran in that spot (so long as the vet is producing at the same terrible level).

[Devi8or]

Jack Z is on Bob and Groz right now

they asked him how tempted he was to take a deal on their top prospects. He said, I told people who called up on Walker, called up on Paxton, Called up on DJ Peterson that they were absolutely not available and he wasn't mortgaging our future

[ksmith31]

It's a win, not a big win. Not a big enough win to set them apart from the Yanks, Blue Jays, or Royals.

They will fight for the spot all year but ultimately will come up short.

[fritzfreddie]

My point exactly. The Mariners had no real outfielders, and now they have two.

Here ... find one other fan out of the 1,000 that will comment that thinks this wasn't a good idea.

Mariners acquire Austin Jackson in three-way trade with Detroit Tigers and Tampa Bay Rays - Lookout Landing (http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/7/31/5956749/mariners-acquire-austin-jackson-in-three-way-trade-with-detroit)

I wouldn't call it a good idea. I wouldn't call it bad either though. Just kind of a sideways slide. Doesn't get them to the playoffs so really have to see what they do to build on for next year.

If they did it simply to make the playoffs then I expect this to be a failure. If they did this thinking it was best for the next 2-3 then I'm content to see how it works out.

I'll admit to being a pessimist on this sort of thing though, just can't see these two being the spark plugs that get the engine into the playoffs.

[NeedChapmans]

Jack Z is on Bob and Groz right now

they asked him how tempted he was to take a deal on their top prospects. He said, I told people who called up on Walker, called up on Paxton, Called up on DJ Peterson that they were absolutely not available and he wasn't mortgaging our future

When you think it's your last year, that's hard to do.

Kudos to JZ for that. I think Walker will be needed during September no doubt, so hopefully the kid delivers.

[ksmith31]

I wouldn't call it a good idea. I wouldn't call it bad either though. Just kind of a sideways slide. Doesn't get them to the playoffs so really have to see what they do to build on for next year.

If they did it simply to make the playoffs then I expect this to be a failure. If they did this thinking it was best for the next 2-3 then I'm content to see how it works out.

I'll admit to being a pessimist on this sort of thing though, just can't see these two being the spark plugs that get the engine into the playoffs.

Now this I can agree with.

If they can add to Jackson, Cano, Seager in the off-season then this move makes more sense in the competing department.

There are going to be quite a bit of good FAs out there in the off-season that they can really capitalize on the Jackson move with.

Cuddyer, VMart, Butler, LaRoche can fill 1B and provide a good bat.

Melky, Cruz, Markakis would be great pickups to fill a corner OF spot.

We'll see though. I don't expect them to make it this year or if they do to get eliminated in the 1-game playoffs.

[motu79]

Now this I can agree with.

If they can add to Jackson, Cano, Seager in the off-season then this move makes more sense in the competing department.

There are going to be quite a bit of good FAs out there in the off-season that they can really capitalize on the Jackson move with.

Cuddyer, VMart, Butler, LaRoche can fill 1B and provide a good bat.

Melky, Cruz, Markakis would be great pickups to fill a corner OF spot.

We'll see though. I don't expect them to make it this year or if they do to get eliminated in the 1-game playoffs.


If Felix is pitching, I don't see us losing the 1 game playoff. That's our ace in the hole right now. Then in a 5 game series, anything is possible, especially if Walker, Paxton, and Kuma can get us back to Felix at the back end of the series.

All huge what-ifs, but we're Mariner fans, and we can dream! :)

[trixstar]

You guys are all missing the point. Mariners claim to want to compete....Jackson and Denorfia don't make them any better than the teams they are competing with. Yankees got Drew and Prado, better acquisitions than the Mariners, and they are tied with Mariners right now.

If they truly were about competing and making the playoffs, you take the shot at getting Price. A slight offensive boost won't make up the impact Price would of had on the rotation.

Just another year where they will miss the playoffs, get rid of all the players they brought in the previous year, and be back to square one.

Do you even watch this team play? They are struggling to get a WC2 now and we're gonna give away our best young talent to what? To make the wild card and lose in the divisional playoffs? For who Price? Who's gonna leave after next year anyway? They got Jackson out of thin air when no one was even looking at him to be moved for Franklin who's going nowhere in our system now. The bottom line is that the team is better today than it was 24 hours ago and it gave up basically nothing.

[Verufian]

If Felix is pitching, I don't see us losing the 1 game playoff. That's our ace in the hole right now. Then in a 5 game series, anything is possible, especially if Walker, Paxton, and Kuma can get us back to Felix at the back end of the series.

All huge what-ifs, but we're Mariner fans, and we can dream! :)

During his last 11 starts, he is 4-2 with 5 no decisions. I don't see HIM losing the game, but let's not pretend his presence is a guaranteed win.

[ksmith31]

Do you even watch this team play? They are struggling to get a WC2 now and we're gonna give away our best young talent to what? To make the wild card and lose in the divisional playoffs? For who Price? Who's gonna leave after next year anyway? They got Jackson out of thin air when no one was even looking at him to be moved for Franklin who's going nowhere in our system now. The bottom line is that the team is better today than it was 24 hours ago and it gave up basically nothing.


lol another guy who ignores the point I am arguing to try and call someone out and feel superior.

Like I said, I live in Seattle, I watch this team all the time. Jackson doesn't make them good enough to overtake their main competition for the 2nd wild card spot. Which is my entire point of why this trade is nothing to get overly excited about, which typical Mariner fans do, only to turn sourpuss when things go back to being bad.

Better today? Yankees are better today too, Blue Jays are a better team still and especially once Edwin is back, and the Royals/Indians can compete with them as well.

This trade is only truly impactful if they make some moves in the off-season that are actually impactful and not the Corey Hart moves of the world.

[trixstar]

Not trying to feel superior to anyone. Just feel like no ones looking at this the right way. They got two massive upgrades for nothing End. Of. Story.

[ksmith31]

There are multiple ways to look at. Doesn't mean yours is the right one and others aren't.

I choose to look it my way (Not much for this year but could be good if they add talent in the off-season) and you and anybody else can look at it your way.

I will agree to disagree with everyone (unless they agree with me) and I am done with this topic haha.

They should be a little more bearable to watch at least when hitting if Jackson can come in and hit well.

[trixstar]

There are multiple ways to look at. Doesn't mean yours is the right one and others aren't.

I choose to look it my way (Not much for this year but could be good if they add talent in the off-season) and you and anybody else can look at it your way.

I will agree to disagree with everyone (unless they agree with me) and I am done with this topic haha.

They should be a little more bearable to watch at least when hitting if Jackson can come in and hit well.

Yup you're right we all have our opinions :)

[NeedChapmans]

Damnit Mike. That was a HR pitch you missed on. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Pick him up LoMo.

[Devi8or]

SMACKLEY!!!

[NeedChapmans]

If only July lasted forever!

[NeedChapmans]

Nice job Seattle ... take this game away.

[Devi8or]

Lol @ Cory Hart trying to play OF. Couldn't Denorfia show up today instead?

[NeedChapmans]

Nice job Seattle ... take this game away.

Ugh. All it took was a half inning to give it right back. Short leash tonight for Chris ... one more run and he's yanked.

4-4 after 3. Don't expect this from SEA!

[razorsharp]

Mongo Hart is so freaking bad.

Why does Seattle keep running him out there?

[Devi8or]

Mongo Hart is so freaking bad.

Why does Seattle keep running him out there?

They might not much longer with Jackson, Denorfia and Saunders coming

[razorsharp]

Zunino needs to be moved down to 9th in the order.

[NeedChapmans]

Zunino needs to be moved down to 9th in the order.

No he doesn't. He's fine in the 6-7 spot with the power he has. Just not coming through tonight.

[razorsharp]

No he doesn't. He's fine in the 6-7 spot with the power he has. Just not coming through tonight.

He has power but nothing else.

He bats .200 w/RISP. He's a huge liability at the plate.

[NeedChapmans]

He has power but nothing else.

He bats .200 w/RISP. He's a huge liability at the plate.

Corey Hart, Logan Morrison, Endy Chavez ... you want those hitters higher? They have lower RISP numbers and no power.

[NeedChapmans]

I smell a run coming in the 6th for SEA. LoMo gonna lead off w/ a double.

[razorsharp]

Corey Hart, Logan Morrison, Endy Chavez ... you want those hitters higher? They have lower RISP numbers and no power.

Hopefully Hart is DFA tomorrow, he's terrible.

With the additions of Jackson and Denorfia it makes sense to move Zunino down in the order.

[NeedChapmans]

Hopefully Hart is DFA tomorrow, he's terrible.

With the additions of Jackson and Denorfia it makes sense to move Zunino down in the order.

Yes, I agree with that. Zunino should be hitting 8th. Where he's been his most comfortable.

[tajikey]

You guys are all missing the point. Mariners claim to want to compete....Jackson and Denorfia don't make them any better than the teams they are competing with. Yankees got Drew and Prado, better acquisitions than the Mariners, and they are tied with Mariners right now.

If they truly were about competing and making the playoffs, you take the shot at getting Price. A slight offensive boost won't make up the impact Price would of had on the rotation.

Just another year where they will miss the playoffs, get rid of all the players they brought in the previous year, and be back to square one.

In case you failed to notice, King Felix has gone 7 or more innings having given up 2 or less runs 14 times in a row...his record during that span...5-2. An arm is not what the M's need, +defense and +offense is the solution.

[NeedChapmans]

Perfect pitch Dominic. One more kid.

[NeedChapmans]

Bad pitch, excellent result. Nice job Dominic.

[NeedChapmans]

I thought that was an DP for sure. Then I was sad.

[trixstar]

Damn Z I love you

[GoHawks25]

Whooo!! we need this game!

[NeedChapmans]

You wanna drop him in the line-up!

BOOM

[NeedChapmans]

That's two season saving HR's from Zunino in the last four games (although the Mariners still lost the first one!) Heh.

[NeedChapmans]

Hopefully these boys can hold on w/ Houston.

[NeedChapmans]

I leave Maurer in if this were 1975. Closers blah blah blah ..

[GoHawks25]

Nice. Exciting game.

[NeedChapmans]

That was a big one. O's bullpen getting taxed right now; have to like that headed into Baltimore tomorrow. (Sucks though Miller shows up tomorrow).

[JeHHH]

Alright Mariners Fans, what's everyone's thoughts on Chris Taylor? Do you guys think he'll be sticking around for a while? Or sent back down soon?

[NeedChapmans]

Alright Mariners Fans, what's everyone's thoughts on Chris Taylor? Do you guys think he'll be sticking around for a while? Or sent back down soon?

He stays Jay. He's been very impressive so far, and he's gonna get the majority of the starts the rest of the way. If/When Willie B comes back, Miller goes bye bye.

[trixstar]

Jays just took the lead over Houston in the top of the 9th on a HR

[NeedChapmans]

Jays just took the lead over Houston in the top of the 9th on a HR

Watching the Jays, I don't think I'm worried about them. The top three in their line-up are so injury prone ... the only reason they're hot is because they've wrapped up series against TEX, BOS and now gonna be HOU. They have a lot of games left vs. BAL and NYY.

Seattle needs to take care of business. 32-22 the rest of the way gets it done. (88-74)

[NeedChapmans]

I want this Orioles game to go 22 innings.

[MBumgarner40]

James Paxton is pitching Saturday! Awesome

[NeedChapmans]

James Paxton is pitching Saturday! Awesome

He hasn't looked too sharp in his two rehab starts ... hopefully he can find a way to go six solid innings on Saturday.

Fun fact - As lousy as Zunino has been at the plate this year for the sake of OBP, he has more HR's than Miguel Cabrera.

In 100 less AB's.

[MBumgarner40]

He hasn't looked too sharp in his two rehab starts ... hopefully he can find a way to go six solid innings on Saturday.

Fun fact - As lousy as Zunino has been at the plate this year for the sake of OBP, he has more HR's than Miguel Cabrera.

In 100 less AB's.

Yea I think he'll make a nice #4 starter at least for now. He's got pretty good stuff. Throws upper 90s, he could probably be a good strikeout pitcher

[tajikey]

He hasn't looked too sharp in his two rehab starts ... hopefully he can find a way to go six solid innings on Saturday.

Fun fact - As lousy as Zunino has been at the plate this year for the sake of OBP, he has more HR's than Miguel Cabrera.

In 100 less AB's.

I don't care what anyone says, Z is the real deal. I believe he has hit more homeruns against eighties than lefties...and that homerun trot...so subdued!

[kvwjw]

Great trade by the Tigers and Mariners i have no idea wtf the Rays are doing though that was awful on their part. They traded a CY young winner and didnt even get a top 100 prospect. They should have held him also makes me wonder if we could have had Price for Erasmo, Franklin and a lower piece. Not that we needed price i like the Jackson pick up alot.

But im just in shock at how lousy that deal is for the Rays

[MadHandle11]

Watching the Jays, I don't think I'm worried about them. The top three in their line-up are so injury prone ... the only reason they're hot is because they've wrapped up series against TEX, BOS and now gonna be HOU. They have a lot of games left vs. BAL and NYY.

Seattle needs to take care of business. 32-22 the rest of the way gets it done. (88-74)

You think the Mariners can go 12 games over (basically .600 baseball) with their tough schedule the rest of the way? I'd love if they did, but I think they'll be lucky to play .500 for the rest of the season.

[trixstar]

Jones and Romero to AAA as expected

[NeedChapmans]

You think the Mariners can go 12 games over (basically .600 baseball) with their tough schedule the rest of the way? I'd love if they did, but I think they'll be lucky to play .500 for the rest of the season.

Seattle has a winning record against both LAA and OAK, and the seven left against Texas get easier by the day.

7 vs HOU, 4 vs. CHW (No Chris Sale) ... the schedule isn't as difficult as you think. If they can win the season series against TOR, Seattle should be in the driver's seat.

(When Paxton comes off the DL tomorrow, Corey Hart needs to be DFA'ed).

[kvwjw]

Seattle has a winning record against both LAA and OAK, and the seven left against Texas get easier by the day.

7 vs HOU, 4 vs. CHW (No Chris Sale) ... the schedule isn't as difficult as you think. If they can win the season series against TOR, Seattle should be in the driver's seat.

(When Paxton comes off the DL tomorrow, Corey Hart needs to be DFA'ed).

yes yes yes and yes. Besides who we are playing hasnt been the problem we probally have a better record vs good teams than bad. Its our offense that has killed us, we make even the worst pitcher NOesi look like a stud

[SyddWasHere]

I honestly feel like if we can win 30 of the last games we have a damn good shot at that wild card playoff.

I am extremely enthusiastic about Jackson/Ttaylor/Cano at the top of our lineup. If Morales is able to turn it on, and hit .265 with power, and one of either Heart or LoMo is able to at least play decently we should have a very good shot. If Ackley (who I would much rather see batting 7th, just so it takes the pressure off of him) is able to stay above .300 for the rest of the season, and we get Saunders back and he is able to play the way he was before he was injured, I damn near guarantee you we will make the playoffs.

I don't remember the last time I was just excited about Mariners baseball this late in the season. I honestly don't even think I was just excited about 2001, simply because we knew we were going to the playoffs.

[Devi8or]

Seattle has a winning record against both LAA and OAK, and the seven left against Texas get easier by the day.

7 vs HOU, 4 vs. CHW (No Chris Sale) ... the schedule isn't as difficult as you think. If they can win the season series against TOR, Seattle should be in the driver's seat.

(When Paxton comes off the DL tomorrow, Corey Hart needs to be DFA'ed).

Greg Johns reported earlier that McClendon said it's unlikely the team will keep 13 pitchers when Paxton gets activated. So tough choice for the bullpen

Not sure which arm is gonna come out of there, my guess would be Furbush or Medina

[trixstar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt_A5gCIUAEMlqO.jpg

[Devi8or]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt_A5gCIUAEMlqO.jpg

I was watching some Austin Jackson highlites this morning on Youtube....pretty excited to see him out there in centerfield

[NeedChapmans]

Greg Johns reported earlier that McClendon said it's unlikely the team will keep 13 pitchers when Paxton gets activated. So tough choice for the bullpen

Not sure which arm is gonna come out of there, my guess would be Furbush or Medina

I saw that. Died inside a little. :(

[CALVINXLIONSX81]

Tigers fan here, just coming to say you guys will probably enjoy Jackson, he gets to almost every ball in the outfield and takes very good lines, only thing he doesn't do is dive, I have seen him dive only a handful of times in Detroit. But enjoy watching him everyday, he's better than most Detroit fans make him out to be and he has an amazing attitude!

[MVPete]

Great trade by the Tigers and Mariners i have no idea wtf the Rays are doing though that was awful on their part. They traded a CY young winner and didnt even get a top 100 prospect. They should have held him also makes me wonder if we could have had Price for Erasmo, Franklin and a lower piece. Not that we needed price i like the Jackson pick up alot.

But im just in shock at how lousy that deal is for the Rays

http://pulpavenue.com/forum/images/smilies/stop2.gif

[motu79]

Tigers fan here, just coming to say you guys will probably enjoy Jackson, he gets to almost every ball in the outfield and takes very good lines, only thing he doesn't do is dive, I have seen him dive only a handful of times in Detroit. But enjoy watching him everyday, he's better than most Detroit fans make him out to be and he has an amazing attitude!

We had a guy in RF that didn't dive either for 10+ years. We're used to it. :)

I'm just excited we were able to get a sold CF! Hopefully he can hold it down for years to come.

[NeedChapmans]

TAYLOR made ...

Gonna be a new slogan in Seattle.

[NeedChapmans]

Chris Taylor defense costing Seattle the game right now ... need someone to step up!

[trixstar]

Can we make a guy throw more than 6 pitches to get out of the inning guys, Jesus.

[NeedChapmans]

Can we make a guy throw more than 6 pitches to get out of the inning guys, Jesus.

Had a dream Morales came though there ...

Just a dream. :(

[NeedChapmans]

A bummer to lose because of the error. Gotta pick yourselves up tomorrow SEA and win the series (excellent pitching tonight again, new guys didn't show up).

[trixstar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuDrEGcCIAA8iG9.jpg

[Devi8or]

Cory Hart to the DL with a "knee contusion"

Well played Lloyd

[tajikey]

Heck of an at bat for Taylor.

[NeedChapmans]

Heck of an at bat for Taylor.

Twas. But I hate Sucre catching today. I feel like it's just automatics outs (At least with Zunino, you get power).

GRRRRRRRRR

[NeedChapmans]

That had to hurt.

[tajikey]

Paxton looks really good. High pitch count the first couple innings, but he has settled in nicely. Now if only Walker could get his pitches under control

[NeedChapmans]

Time for Morales to PAY OFF.

Bases loaded kid. COMON.

[trixstar]

Ackley playing out of his mind.

[NeedChapmans]

Time for Morales to PAY OFF.

Bases loaded kid. COMON.

WHY WOULD YOU PITCH TO CANO?

Thanks Showalter ... I take back that top manager thing I said earlier.

[tajikey]

WHY WOULD YOU PITCH TO CANO?

Thanks Showalter ... I take back that top manager thing I said earlier.

Yeah, I thought they'd intentionally walk Cano as well.

[NeedChapmans]

Yeah, I thought they'd intentionally walk Cano as well.

Morales hit the 4-6-3 DP ball in the AB too.

I don't understand that kind of managing. I get that it's the 5th inning; but are they not aware of Morales 3 hits in 2 weeks?

[darealstunna]

Taylor raking, that's all

[NeedChapmans]

Taylor raking, that's all

Way to jinx him ... :(

[trixstar]

Not sure there's a more immature player in MLB than Machado

[trixstar]

Why even throw that to first?

[trixstar]

Time for Morales to PAY OFF.

Bases loaded kid. COMON.

Just waited a couple innings

[NeedChapmans]

A ROUT!

Been a while.

[jason122883]

Breaking news: Brad Miller still sucks

[jason122883]

Now batting under .200

We need to see Taylor as our everyday SS

[Norland]

I wanted Brad Miller to succeed more than anyone but I think its about time to send him back down to the minors.

[trixstar]

I love how we make every single no name we face a Cy Young looking candidate.

[jason122883]

I love how we make every single no name we face a Cy Young looking candidate.

I agree, though Tillman is a good pitcher

[motu79]

I love how we make every single no name we face a Cy Young looking candidate.

A big reason Jack Z needs to go. When Bartolo Colon was throwing a perfect game against us a couple weeks back, he should have seen the writing on the wall.

We can have all the best pitching prospects in the game, but when we keep bringing up singles hitters (Ackley, Miller, Franklin, Taylor, etc., etc.) it starts getting old.

We NEED better bats, and though I like the trade for Austin Jackson, he Jack didn't do anything to help this team score runs. Period.

[motu79]

I agree, though Tillman is a good pitcher

He hasn't won since June, sooo....

[Superhuskiefan1]

He hasn't won since June, sooo....
But he is 5-0 career against the M's

[motu79]

But he is 5-0 career against the M's

Exactly the point trixstar made!

[trixstar]

But he is 5-0 career against the M's


"Insert pitchers name here"

[jason122883]

He hasn't won since June, sooo....

32-15 over the last three years.

[jason122883]

14th time we've been shutout. Ouch!

[Devi8or]

Wow, nice call ump

Ugh

[tdc101]

Seattle Mariners. Most boring offense in the Major Leagues. Turning opposing bum pitchers into all stars.

[Superhuskiefan1]

Seattle Mariners. Most boring offense in the Major Leagues. Turning opposing bum pitchers into all stars.
Well he was an AS last yr

[4mightyQuinn]

Seattle Mariners. Most boring offense in the Major Leagues. Turning opposing bum pitchers into all stars.

how about Edwin Jackson in LA, he gets a double and a win, dodger offense isn't good right now

[4mightyQuinn]

the bus is leaving seattle

[Devi8or]

Carlos Triunfel just hit a grand slam off Taijuan Walker

Oh the misery of a Mariners fan

[NeedChapmans]

Carlos Triunfel just hit a grand slam off Taijuan Walker

Oh the misery of a Mariners fan

And now he's given up 4 more runs ... 8 in 2.2 innings.

This guy is turning into quite the waste. He has time to figure it out; but man o man what he could have been already at this age.

[trixstar]

And now he's given up 4 more runs ... 8 in 2.2 innings.

This guy is turning into quite the waste. He has time to figure it out; but man o man what he could have been already at this age.

It's all in his head, he seems stubborn and not willing to take the coaching he's being given.

[Devi8or]

The pitching rotation changed and Sunday is TBA. Bob Dutton was guessing it was Taijuan, I'm gonna guess it's Erasmo now

[trixstar]

Short video regarding Gabriel Guerrero

Guerrero's scouting report | mariners.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_id=sea&content_id=34882411&tcid=tw_video_34882411)

[metsplaya123]

I guess your announcers don't talk about how he flicks his wrist before he delivers the ball and that makes it almost impossible to repeat the delivery which is why his command sucks. The mets announcers pointed it out, they will probably fix in offseason if they see it

[NeedChapmans]

I guess your announcers don't talk about how he flicks his wrist before he delivers the ball and that makes it almost impossible to repeat the delivery which is why his command sucks. The mets announcers pointed it out, they will probably fix in offseason if they see it

The Mets announcers didn't point it out ... Ron Darling did only because he said he did the same thing when he was a pitcher.

But there are plenty of pitchers that have the same kind of movement on their wrists before they throw pitchers ... Sale is one of them. It's not the reason Walker is having trouble.

[jason122883]

I hate our defense when Felix pitches

[jason122883]

Good throw and he gets him

[jason122883]

Please let Taylor play more

[jason122883]

I think he's out

[jason122883]

Good clutch hit by LoMo

[jason122883]

Zunino blows. Was thrown 6 balls and somehow struck out

[NeedChapmans]

Zunino blows. Was thrown 6 balls and somehow struck out

Gonna kill that kid ...

[jason122883]

Huge break

[NeedChapmans]

Huge break

I can BREATHE.

Thank you Braves infield. Expect a gift basket from Mr. Zunino later this week.

[NeedChapmans]

Nice Job Mr. Jackson.

Wood deserved better. Much much better.

[jason122883]

Nice Job Mr. Jackson.

Wood deserved better. Much much better.

Agreed. Wood is getting the Felix treatment

[jason122883]

If we hold on to win, we are only 1 GB of the second wildcard

[kvwjw]

Please let Taylor play more

I said a long time ago he needed up keep raking kid.

[jason122883]

Bonafacio(sp) is killing us out there

[jason122883]

Denorfia just Zunino'd

[jason122883]

Zunino!!!!

[jason122883]

Cano turns two so beautifully

[jason122883]

Taylor with an outstanding play!

[jason122883]

With Rodney warming up, it looks like Felix officially extended his streak to 15 games

[jason122883]

Rodney loves making it interesting

[trixstar]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/3yny6a3e.jpg

@aaronmgoldsmith: Felix spins his 65th-career start going 8.0 IP+ with ≤ 1 ER. Justin Verlander has done this 33 times. #Mariners

[jason122883]

That run may have been avoided if Ackley fielded that ball cleanly

[tajikey]

If we hold on to win, we are only 1 GB of the second wildcard

I love how Mack tried to play off that he didn't set the best 3 in the rotation for the series against Toronto, when that's exactly what he did.

I'm at the airport waiting for my flight to Seattle. Going to see Chris Young pick apart the stagnant Atlanta offense. Go M's!

[Verufian]

I'll be at the game today for work. First game I've been able to take in this year!

[GoBeavs]

I love how Mack tried to play off that he didn't set the best 3 in the rotation for the series against Toronto, when that's exactly what he did.

I'm at the airport waiting for my flight to Seattle. Going to see Chris Young pick apart the stagnant Atlanta offense. Go M's!

I'll be at the game today for work. First game I've been able to take in this year!

Guess this is the week to take in a game. I'm heading up this weekend for both games. Looking forward to Lou's HOF induction. It's a shame Griffey wont be there though.

[tajikey]

I'll be at the game today for work. First game I've been able to take in this year!

I'm here for "work," too!

[jason122883]

Chris Young is struggling

[tajikey]

Chris Young is struggling

Braves aren't hitting it hard, just where Mariners are not.

[jason122883]

Getting rid of Buck looks worse and worse. His defense wasn't THAT bad

[NeedChapmans]

Getting rid of Buck looks worse and worse. His defense wasn't THAT bad

The upgrade on defense is probably not equal to the loss on offense ...

(But a 40 man roster spot was made available, so it may be a wash).

[death2redemptions]

Believe me guys, you will win this game. Braves haven't scored more than 4 runs in a game for a very, very, very long time now...

[trixstar]

runs runs runs

[jason122883]

First time we've scored 7 runs in about a month. Exciting and sad

[jason122883]

We really need to take 3 from the sox

[NeedChapmans]

We really need to take 3 from the sox

Agreed. Without Sale pitching ... Seattle should be able to (and with how poorly the Sox have played lately).

Taking the first two would go a long way.

[Superhuskiefan1]

Ack attack strikes again

[jason122883]

Ackley is hot

Morales is brutal. Should be dropped. GIDP machine

[fritzfreddie]

Hopefully the offense is trending up and can continue producing for the stretch run. Nice explosion going on tonight

[tajikey]

Ackley is hot

Morales is brutal. Should be dropped. GIDP machine

Ackley is an after the All Star Break beast.

[FLMARLIN]

Seager's response to Morales getting plunked was awesome.

[tajikey]

Kuma on the bump tonight. Thought we wouldn't see him until Toronto.

[jason122883]

We should have just traded for Viciedo. He's killing us

[jason122883]

Another break. Need to take advantage

[jason122883]

That's how you take advantage

[tajikey]

God, I love him!

[tajikey]

Miller is lucky Bloomy is done for the year, otherwise, he would be heading back down.

[trixstar]

God, I love him!

lol I've tweeted twice tonight "I love Mike Zunino"

[tajikey]

Strike um out, throw um out and the hum dinger?

[jason122883]

Got the job done

[trixstar]

Strike um out, throw um out and the hum dinger?

Yup :)! :p

[tajikey]

Damn, just missed it!

[NeedChapmans]

Damn, just missed it!

Thought he had it. He's hit the ball as hard as you can in 3 AB's, only has one (big) hit to show for it. :(

[tajikey]

Thought he had it. He's hit the ball as hard as you can in 3 AB's, only has one (big) hit to show for it. :(

I'll take three solid swings with one contributing 3 runs to the scoreboard.

[jason122883]

Buckled big time

[tajikey]

That pitch just wasn't fair.

[trixstar]

probably the funniest SO I've seen

[trixstar]

Yoervis Medina buckles Alexei Ramírez into next week. (http://www.8bitsports.net/Seattle/yoervis-medina-buckles-alexei-ramirez-into-next-week/)

[jason122883]

I hate NOesi

[jason122883]

Even though he didn't get him out. Endy has a cannon

[jason122883]

A Jackson has been pretty disappointing to this point