Seattle Mariners Thread

[jason122883]

Thank you funny hop

[jason122883]

I can't believe we're paying Willie 4M per

[Norland]

Nice sweep...too bad we can't play the Rangers more often like this!

[jason122883]

I pull hard for Ackley every year, maybe he just doesn't have what it takes

[trixstar]

Can someone with actual baseball knowledge tell me what Mike's problem is at the plate. I mean I love the kid but jesus he sucks at hitting

[jason122883]

Can someone with actual baseball knowledge tell me what Mike's problem is at the plate. I mean I love the kid but jesus he sucks at hitting

I'd like to think it may be mentally at this point. He is young

[jason122883]

Story has been the same all year.

Offense misses on several golden opportunities throughout the game

Bullpen sucks

[4mightyQuinn]

when might felix pitch next?

[billbanning]

when might felix pitch next?

Monday in LA

[4mightyQuinn]

Monday in LA

ok I cant get out there till Tuesday, I will be wearing my Tacoma R cap

[jason122883]

Now if we can only get someone else besides Cruz going on offense

Another sweet bomb

[jason122883]

LoMo & Cruz show

[jason122883]

Make it 3 solo shots

[Norland]

This is almost daily now...Miller and a bad throw.

[jason122883]

Here I thought Taijuan was getting it together lately.

WRONG

[exitmusicblue]

Who or what can stop these Astros...

[jason122883]

Who or what can stop these Astros...

Not Seattle :)

[exitmusicblue]

Not Seattle :)

Maybe no one in the AL West, as Houston is the only team with a winning record :O

[linderaaron]

Story of the season so far...offense clicks and pitching fails. Pitching clicks and offense fails. defense loses the game before it even really starts. Cruz cannot and will not be able to carry this team. Obviously seager and cano will find their stroke but there already too many inconsistencies. Weeks, Smith, Miller, Ruggiano are all garbage. Miller is a small exception but barely. Every error seems like it costs us atleast 1 run. I have been a mariner fan for 32 years and nothing looks different then past years so far this season. Frustrating as hell and now what was our strength for the past years (Pitching) is our weakness (along w/hitting w/RISP) Just miserable to watch most days. This is all coming from a season ticket holder for 8 years and SoDo Mojo machine. Even though we are 3 games under .500 I find myself almost every game thinking or saying outloud, here it goes again....!!!!!

[linderaaron]

AND wasn't there a prediction from Vegas or somewhere that the Astros would win it all in 2016 or 2017? The prediction was made like 2 years ago or something. Im not saying they will or anything.

[trixstar]

Walker is a mess. At this point I don't know how he gets better without changing his mechanics. He can't command his FB at all and doesn't seem to use his lower body at all.

[tdc101]

Story of the season so far...offense clicks and pitching fails. Pitching clicks and offense fails. defense loses the game before it even really starts. Cruz cannot and will not be able to carry this team. Obviously seager and cano will find their stroke but there already too many inconsistencies. Weeks, Smith, Miller, Ruggiano are all garbage. Miller is a small exception but barely. Every error seems like it costs us atleast 1 run. I have been a mariner fan for 32 years and nothing looks different then past years so far this season. Frustrating as hell and now what was our strength for the past years (Pitching) is our weakness (along w/hitting w/RISP) Just miserable to watch most days. This is all coming from a season ticket holder for 8 years and SoDo Mojo machine. Even though we are 3 games under .500 I find myself almost every game thinking or saying outloud, here it goes again....!!!!!

And this current road trip could get even worse as the Mariners go to Anaheim to face the Angels. NOW the Angels will probably fatten up against this M's team. At least Cruz is doing his part, but he needs help like you said.

[jason122883]

Well, while we keep losing, Cruz is on a tear, and is fun to watch at least

[SadPenguiNinja]

Now if only they could hit home runs with runners on base...

[seabass97166]

AND wasn't there a prediction from Vegas or somewhere that the Astros would win it all in 2016 or 2017? The prediction was made like 2 years ago or something. Im not saying they will or anything.

Sports Illustrated

[linderaaron]

Well, while we keep losing, Cruz is on a tear, and is fun to watch at least

Yeah its nice to see but its all a waste and for nothing. 10 of his 13 HR's have been solo shots and his terror he is on is just being wasted and squandered. That in itself is just as frustrating. He is playing softball and everyone else is ending innings or taking a fat crap on any kind of momentum. Its still somewhat early but IMO even if a few other players find there stroke, I think it will all be for nothing due to what has already plagued us so far. Im seriously at my wits end and feel like dan akroid in the Movie Major League....bring out the tarps, cover up the field....turn this place into a parking lot. I cant imagine how Cubs fans feel. One more thing that grinds my gears is how frustrating it is to see Houston go to the WS, re-build and appear to be jacked for a LONG LONG run of success all while MY team has done none of those things is twice as many years!!! END RANT!

[gradedeflator]

Here I thought Taijuan was getting it together lately.

WRONG

what is wrong with this kid? he is single handedly killing my fantasy team. it's almost like he is tipping his pitches.

[linderaaron]

what is wrong with this kid? he is single handedly killing my fantasy team. it's almost like he is tipping his pitches.

they need to send him down already. He gets any worse and he may not come back from his case of the RUNS

[tdc101]

I don't think I have ever seen a team as hot as the Astros are right now now. I mean, if the Mariners pitchers make ONE mistake, their hitters are all over it. Unbelievable. Chris Carter the latest to go deep. HOME RUN DERBY!!

[fritzfreddie]

Wish the Mariners pitchers besides Felix were only doing 1 mistake, problem is they are doing a boat load. Looks like our ERA and WHIP is worse against both the Dodgers and A's so not like the Astros are doing anything others can't.

Last year was a fun ride but looks like also brought false hope. Pitching was a huge outlier last year. Looks like going back to normal is showing us we don't have even a .500 team right now. Last year there was some stat starting off the Mariners had some insane record if they scored 4+ runs. Think that cooled off some but I count 12 loses all year when they score 4+ and they already have 6 after today. 8 of those 12 were games were they scored 4 runs so only 4 games lost when scoring 5+. Today was the 5th this year.

Brutal, back to decent chance of winning if Felix is standing on the mound and a meh chance with anyone else.

[linderaaron]

Wish the Mariners pitchers besides Felix were only doing 1 mistake, problem is they are doing a boat load. Looks like our ERA and WHIP is worse against both the Dodgers and A's so not like the Astros are doing anything others can't.

Last year was a fun ride but looks like also brought false hope. Pitching was a huge outlier last year. Looks like going back to normal is showing us we don't have even a .500 team right now. Last year there was some stat starting off the Mariners had some insane record if they scored 4+ runs. Think that cooled off some but I count 12 loses all year when they score 4+ and they already have 6 after today. 8 of those 12 were games were they scored 4 runs so only 4 games lost when scoring 5+. Today was the 5th this year.

Brutal, back to decent chance of winning if Felix is standing on the mound and a meh chance with anyone else.

Totally agree with everything. For the MOST PART, they arent having a terribly hard time scoring runs. again it is really sad that all that power they are getting from Cruz is going to waste but it is the pitching that is giving up early and all leads and our bullpen cant keep people off base in the late innings to allow us to stay in games. really frustrating and alot of our stats last year were tremendous outliers hence the back to earth effect we are seeing this year so far.

[jason122883]

Austin Jackson to the 15 day DL with an ankle injury

Beimel, Lowe and Chris Taylor up

Medina and Olsen down.

The Medina one kinda shocks me, but overall we do need a shake up

[4mightyQuinn]

what about those solo homers?

[fritzfreddie]

Better than no homers, sooner or later guys have to be accidentally on base for some of them.

Come on pen, Felix got 21, go get the other 6.

[fritzfreddie]

Thank you mr pinch runner

[jason122883]

Rodney rarely makes it easy :)

Happy to see Felix get to 5-0. Should be 6-0, but 5-0 is still nice

[trixstar]

Great piece written back in December about Miller in the outfield. Looks like Taylor will take over short, Ackley is a lost cause at this point. Gotta do something with Brad.

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/12/23/7443675/brad-miller-hypothetical-outfielder

[tdc101]

I notice the giggly Dave Simms is back to doing TV again. UUGGHH!! They should just keep Aaron Goldsmith on the TV and stick Simms back to radio. Aaron does a nice job with Blowers calling Mariners games.

[jason122883]

Jesus, what a throw by Trout

[tdc101]

Jesus, what a throw by Trout

For sure. Just a little high otherwise Morrison is out.

[jason122883]

Sweet, we just walked their #9 hitter, who is batting .180 on 4 straight pitches.

C'mon Paxton

[jason122883]

Montero just hit a triple down in AAA. Now that, I wanna see a video of

[fritzfreddie]

Another loss by the pen

[jason122883]

Another loss by the pen

Outside of the Rookie Carson Smith, the pen has been beyond terrible this year. I guess our whole ML pitching has been pretty bad outside of Felix and Smith, Happ sometimes too

[linderaaron]

I have come to the conclusion which i think is obvious....

Offense: Everyone is contributing that should be for the most part, what is killing us is the supporting cast. Everyone not named Cano, Cruz, Seager, Morrison..... Zunino is doing pretty bad but at least he has contributed more than the rest. Everyone else is killing us. Cant get on base at all. At this point anyone is better than Ruggiano. Jackson going down really hurt us if ya know what I mean.

Defense. Any games we commit errors in, we will lose!

Pitching: Don't need to say anything. Long Live The King!

[fritzfreddie]

Ackley with a rare timely sac fly

[jriddle253]

New to the forum, long time M's fan from Lake Tapps Washington.

Rally Time!

[NeedChapmans]

New to the forum, long time M's fan from Lake Tapps Washington.

Rally Time!

That, my friend, is what you call poor timing.

Welcome to the forums!

[jriddle253]

�� sorry if I jinxed the game...stupid newbies

[jason122883]

3 months until pre season :-)

I keep hoping Seattle will turn this around sooner than later

[Devi8or]

3 months until pre season :-)

I keep hoping Seattle will turn this around sooner than later

Yeah, it just seems like nothing is going right at the same time. I used to feel a lot better about turning the game over to the bullpen, now, it's cringe worthy.

It'll be interesting to see what they do when Kuma gets back. Our worst pitcher has been Walker, Elias hasn't been that bad to be honest. It's still a few weeks away from happening, but I'm getting a feeling that Tai might be the odd man out unless he turns it up and Elias struggles

As for the bullpen, we just need some freakin consistency! The majority of them have been terrible except Carson Smith, who lost yesterday. Hopefully Beimel and Lowe can add some stability. Maybe when Wilhelmson gets back it'll improve, but they're literally killing us every game

[trixstar]

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/its-a-walk-off-edit.gif

[jason122883]

much needed. I missed it, as I went to bed when they were losing

[jason122883]

Good start tonight.

Cruz ripped another into the gap.

LoMo squared one up, like he has been doing a lot lately. Unfortunately right at someone. Fortunately, he made 2 errors on the 1 play

2-0 M's

[fritzfreddie]

Ackley with a great adjustment on that at bat to send it opposite field for the lead.

[fritzfreddie]

Felix 4th fastest to 2k Ks

[trixstar]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/10/2e88ef745e78d9bfaeec216b520dd12b.jpg

[SportsAutoFreak]

Felix 4th fastest to 2k Ks

Does he join the Big Train and Blyleven in Cooperstown or does he flame out like McDowell?

[jason122883]

Does he join the Big Train and Blyleven in Cooperstown or does he flame out like McDowell?

I don't see him flaming out. You never know though, but I expect he should be heading towards Cooperstown.

He is proactive. He went from being Bartolo Colon to getting in shape. He also has worked a lot on his delivery, and velocity, as he realized it is hard to just go up there and blow everyone away at 100 MPH for many years

[motu79]

Getting to my first M's game in 2 years this weekend! Had a new baby around this time last year, so didn't get to a game last year.

Reaaallllyyyy hoping Felix stays as the scheduled starter Saturday night!

[jason122883]

If we keep performing the way we are offensively, what would you guys like to see? I mean as far as call ups go?

In AAA we have some players really performing.

Marte, IMO is still too young, and I think we may be ok with Chris Taylor at SS, though Ketel is doing a hell of a job in Tacoma

Romero leads Tacoma in almost every offensive category, and is a position of need for us right now, as none of our outfielders are worth a damn

Guti seems to be fairly healthy, and would actually be my first OF option to call up, but I wouldn't mind seeing him and Romero come up together if we can't get it together

Montero. Guy rededicated himself this offseason, and for some reason I feel like the Mariners still hate him. May be because we gave away a stud in Pineda for him, but that's what makes me want to see him even more. He is hitting very well, and has made a good transition to 1B, and could catch if needed rarely. A lot of options with him. He could DH and let Miller learn the OF. He could play 1B and send LoMo back to the OF.

As far as pitching goes, I would assume Montgomery is our best option down there. He was highly regarded at one point. Would be worth a look if Paxton and or Taijuan can't get it together and need to be sent back down.

I personally am for making every move listed, as it couldn't hurt this offense right now. Thoughts?

[billbanning]

Personally I would love to see us cut Weeks and promote Montero. With Miller learning the outfield it clogs it up big time.

[jason122883]

Personally I would love to see us cut Weeks and promote Montero. With Miller learning the outfield it clogs it up big time.

I understand it clogs it, but not with value at this point. I love Ackley, and pull for him every year. As I am aware you do too, but at what point do we give up on the guy?

[Grza]

If we keep performing the way we are offensively, what would you guys like to see? I mean as far as call ups go?

In AAA we have some players really performing.

Marte, IMO is still too young, and I think we may be ok with Chris Taylor at SS, though Ketel is doing a hell of a job in Tacoma

Romero leads Tacoma in almost every offensive category, and is a position of need for us right now, as none of our outfielders are worth a damn

Guti seems to be fairly healthy, and would actually be my first OF option to call up, but I wouldn't mind seeing him and Romero come up together if we can't get it together

Montero. Guy rededicated himself this offseason, and for some reason I feel like the Mariners still hate him. May be because we gave away a stud in Pineda for him, but that's what makes me want to see him even more. He is hitting very well, and has made a good transition to 1B, and could catch if needed rarely. A lot of options with him. He could DH and let Miller learn the OF. He could play 1B and send LoMo back to the OF.

As far as pitching goes, I would assume Montgomery is our best option down there. He was highly regarded at one point. Would be worth a look if Paxton and or Taijuan can't get it together and need to be sent back down.

I personally am for making every move listed, as it couldn't hurt this offense right now. Thoughts?

Rent Tulo w/some of this collateral

[jason122883]

Rent Tulo w/some of this collateral

I would LOVE to get Tulo, but the only part of that Colorado would be interested in would be Marte, and I am sure they would be wanting more with that. I highly doubt a deal would get done with COL for Tulo that didn't include Peterson or Jackson, both of which I would move for him

[billbanning]

I understand it clogs it, but not with value at this point. I love Ackley, and pull for him every year. As I am aware you do too, but at what point do we give up on the guy?

I know...it's tough

[jason122883]

I don't blame Smith for trying to go to 2nd on that hit, but it hurts when Miller does that right after

[jason122883]

They are squaring everything up. Now we just need Paxton to hold a lead for us

[jason122883]

This has been his problem. Gets a lead, can no longer throw strikes

[jason122883]

LoooooMoooooooooooo

[SadPenguiNinja]

Zunino bomb!

[Verufian]

This game was fun to watch.

[jason122883]

Offense was a blast. Does Cruz ever hit HRs that aren't no doubters? He crushes the ball.

On the other side, even though he didn't give up a run, Paxton looked bad. Farquhar has been terrible this season. I'd rather have Medina

[jason122883]

Cano has been swinging at a lot of really bad pitches lately. He may be trying a bit too hard

[jason122883]

I think Shields just crapped himself

[fritzfreddie]

Wow, I'm shocked Rodney gave up a run in a non save situation. Absolutely shocked.

[jason122883]

Wow, I'm shocked Rodney gave up a run in a non save situation. Absolutely shocked.

Lloyd just never learns

[Norland]

AT least Lloyd didnt use Rodney this time!

[jason122883]

But he did bring in Willie to PH. Let's hope it works

[awz50]

AT least Lloyd didnt use Rodney this time!

I know! I was sad.

[jason122883]

Let's go Cruz

[jason122883]

Cruuuuuuuuuuz

[Briss]

Whoooooa Nelly!

[jason122883]

Miller time!

[4mightyQuinn]

does cruz wear gator cleats?

[jason122883]

Miller has been hot lately.

On the flip side, Cano has looked pretty bad lately. I figured adding Cruz would only help him. That has been the opposite so far, he has not looked good at the plate in weeks

[fritzfreddie]

6-3 home stand, need to get some road work done now.

[jason122883]

I'd say on the way back home, we need to make a pit stop in Tacoma to drop Walker off

[Devi8or]

I'd say on the way back home, we need to make a pit stop in Tacoma to drop Walker off

Unfortunately we don't don't have anyone to replace him until Kuma gets back in July...and that's assuming he comes back in July at all

[jason122883]

Unfortunately we don't don't have anyone to replace him until Kuma gets back in July...and that's assuming he comes back in July at all

Mike Montgomery was once a highly regarded arm, and he's looked good for Tacoma. I'd give him a shot.

Farquhar has also looked really bad this year. Too bad we just traded Medina. Hopefully Castillo helps us at catcher. Not sure who they plan on demoting. Z or Sucre

[jason122883]

Why can't Rodney just come in and make it easy. Just one time

[Norland]

Rodney should come with a warning by the Surgeon General. Not good for your heart.

[4mightyQuinn]

Mariners coming back Elias got moves

[jason122883]

Mariners coming back Elias got moves

If no moves are made before Kuma is healthy, Elias shouldn't be the one going back down at this point

[OnTheAir]

If no moves are made before Kuma is healthy, Elias shouldn't be the one going back down at this point

Walker may need to go down... he just can't keep things consistent

[motu79]

Walker may need to go down... he just can't keep things consistent


I would agree with this. When we traded for Castilla the other day, I thought Zunino was gonna be headed down to get some hits.

[jason122883]

I would agree with this. When we traded for Castilla the other day, I thought Zunino was gonna be headed down to get some hits.

Watching him K as much as he still does it really bothers me that we didn't ship him back to Tacoma to work on his bat. He is a HUGE black hole in our offense. I am not sure why we are so slow to make any change. Ackley and Zunino have had enough time, and are just not hitting, while Montero, Romero, and Gutierrez would be obvious upgrades

[jason122883]

That was a helluva play by Taylor

[NeedChapmans]

Watching him K as much as he still does it really bothers me that we didn't ship him back to Tacoma to work on his bat. He is a HUGE black hole in our offense. I am not sure why we are so slow to make any change. Ackley and Zunino have had enough time, and are just not hitting, while Montero, Romero, and Gutierrez would be obvious upgrades

Heh; perhaps you've already forgotten how awful these guys are in real baseball games. Don't you remember Romero slugging .299 in 200 PA's last year? He'll be 27 years old this year, he's not a major league player.

As for Zunino specfically ... you may want to double back. 36 catchers have caught games in the AL this season; Zunino ranks 7th best. Yes, he needs to make a lot of improvements with the bat, but his defense is good enough to still be a solid MLB catcher; as is.

2015 Regular Season MLB Baseball Batting Statistics - AL Catchers - Major League Baseball - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/c/league/al/sort/WARBR/order/true)

[jason122883]

Heh; perhaps you've already forgotten how awful these guys are in real baseball games. Don't you remember Romero slugging .299 in 200 PA's last year? He'll be 27 years old this year, he's not a major league player.

As for Zunino specfically ... you may want to double back. 36 catchers have caught games in the AL this season; Zunino ranks 7th best. Yes, he needs to make a lot of improvements with the bat, but his defense is good enough to still be a solid MLB catcher; as is.

2015 Regular Season MLB Baseball Batting Statistics - AL Catchers - Major League Baseball - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/c/league/al/sort/WARBR/order/true)


I guess I don't recall Gutierrez being a terrible ML player. Just health issues kept him from staying on the field. Montero busted his hump this offseason to get in better shape, and dedicate himself. All signs say he is MUCH improved. Romero leads Tacoma in every category. I don't think he could be worse than Ackley/Weeks/Bloomquist. Maybe I am wrong on him? But I will take my chances since the rest are terrible right now

I fully expect you to back Zunino because of your investment. I honestly picked him to breakout this year, but he just can't make contact to save his life. I love his D. I didn't know he was ranked 7th, I would have honestly assumed even higher than that. I'd still rather him go down to AAA to learn how to hit a baseball though

[jason122883]

Jim Moore: It's time for the Mariners to promote Jesus Montero - seattlepi.com (http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/moore/article/Jim-Moore-It-s-time-for-the-Mariners-to-promote-6258378.php)

[NeedChapmans]

I guess I don't recall Gutierrez being a terrible ML player. Just health issues kept him from staying on the field. Montero busted his hump this offseason to get in better shape, and dedicate himself. All signs say he is MUCH improved. Romero leads Tacoma in every category. I don't think he could be worse than Ackley/Weeks/Bloomquist. Maybe I am wrong on him? But I will take my chances since the rest are terrible right now

I fully expect you to back Zunino because of your investment. I honestly picked him to breakout this year, but he just can't make contact to save his life. I love his D. I didn't know he was ranked 7th, I would have honestly assumed even higher than that. I'd still rather him go down to AAA to learn how to hit a baseball though

To find a major league catcher is hard; you look in the NL, they're just as bad. Going to AAA will do nothing for Zunino; he might mash, he might not, but at this point, Seattle is invested in him to be the .260, high K, high power guy they thought he could be and he's only going to learn here. May has been much better than April, but still, he's got to get a lot better to become the All-Star many (including myself) thinks he can be. (As for my "investment" ... that 60K is as good as gone. Didn't pan out no matter what Z turns into but he's been a PC guy for me since day 1. Love the kid.).

With regard to Montero, Romero etc ... everyone is a star in the PCL. Remember when Ackley was demoted, hit .450, and then came back to Seattle to suck again. Same for Jones, Romero ... hell Sucre hits .270 in Tacoma. The stats are never what they seem to be in that league, the Mariners simply don't have many MLB ready guys available; even the ones hitting .370 in AAA.

This line-up is good enough to win, they'll put it together soon enough.

[jason122883]

To find a major league catcher is hard; you look in the NL, they're just as bad. Going to AAA will do nothing for Zunino; he might mash, he might not, but at this point, Seattle is invested in him to be the .260, high K, high power guy they thought he could be and he's only going to learn here. May has been much better than April, but still, he's got to get a lot better to become the All-Star many (including myself) thinks he can be. (As for my "investment" ... that 60K is as good as gone. Didn't pan out no matter what Z turns into but he's been a PC guy for me since day 1. Love the kid.).

With regard to Montero, Romero etc ... everyone is a star in the PCL. Remember when Ackley was demoted, hit .450, and then came back to Seattle to suck again. Same for Jones, Romero ... hell Sucre hits .270 in Tacoma. The stats are never what they seem to be in that league, the Mariners simply don't have many MLB ready guys available; even the ones hitting .370 in AAA.

This line-up is good enough to win, they'll put it together soon enough.

I hope you're right, but I don't want to give up on some guys so fast. I know it is much easier to hit in AAA. I just don't see what someone like Bloomquist brings to the team over one of those guys. Heck, even Weeks. Guy is a converted OFer, I'd rather have someone else up here who knows the position naturally.

Doesn't help that Pineda has been a stud this year, and our return in that trade is rotting away in Tacoma

[NeedChapmans]

I hope you're right, but I don't want to give up on some guys so fast. I know it is much easier to hit in AAA. I just don't see what someone like Bloomquist brings to the team over one of those guys. Heck, even Weeks. Guy is a converted OFer, I'd rather have someone else up here who knows the position naturally.

Doesn't help that Pineda has been a stud this year, and our return in that trade is rotting away in Tacoma

Meh, Pineda got trucked today and now has an ERA of 3.6. He's been average after a hot start.

But I don't disagree with you about giving up on them. They are guys who run out of options this year, so Seattle will certainly have to use 'em or lose 'em this season. I'm just no sure they're "easy upgrades" to what Seattle is currently using.

And look at that. Zunino walk! WOO HOO!

[jason122883]

Meh, Pineda got trucked today and now has an ERA of 3.6. He's been average after a hot start.

But I don't disagree with you about giving up on them. They are guys who run out of options this year, so Seattle will certainly have to use 'em or lose 'em this season. I'm just no sure they're "easy upgrades" to what Seattle is currently using.

And look at that. Zunino walk! WOO HOO!

If I wasn't watching the game, I wouldn't believe you

[NeedChapmans]

If I wasn't watching the game, I wouldn't believe you

Hey, a game where Z hits a double with RISP and a walk ... and gets caught stealing w/ 2 K.

He's a true Mariner.

[jason122883]

Hey, a game where Z hits a double with RISP and a walk ... and gets caught stealing w/ 2 K.

He's a true Mariner.

Well, to his credit, I am pretty sure that was a hit and run. Was just a terrible pitch that Taylor couldn't really hack at

[Norland]

Rodney already in trouble after first batter....

[jason122883]

Rodney already in trouble after first batter....

Wouldn't be Rodney if he just nailed it down 1-2-3 :)

[jason122883]

With that said he just gave up a bomb.

Lloyd really needs to look into moving Carson Smith to closer. Rodney is beyond terrible

[Norland]

Well he needs 2 outs now without allowing anymore runs. Sheesh no lead is safe with this guy!

[Norland]

Lucky play cause I think if hes safe at first Rodney will blow this game!

[jason122883]

Felix is now 7-1. Would be 8-1 if Rodney didn't blow that 4 run lead earlier in the year. Lloyd is too loyal to certain guys, and Rodney is one of them

[trixstar]

It's time to make Carson Smith the closer

[jason122883]

It's time to make Carson Smith the closer

That statement is sooooo 7 minutes ago

[motu79]

Give Carson a chance to close. I'd actually like to watch a Mariner's 9th inning again. Ha

[trixstar]

Up an at em early today

[jason122883]

Up an at em early today

Thanks for the post, for some reason I was thinking it was 1 PM start time my time today

[jason122883]

Cruz is out, but I love the hustle

[jason122883]

Bloomquist is hitting something like .455 against Buehrle. Damn, he squared it up off of him

[jason122883]

Felix is now 7-1. Would be 8-1 if Rodney didn't blow that 4 run lead earlier in the year. Lloyd is too loyal to certain guys, and Rodney is one of them

McClendon not worried about Rodney's shaky saves | mariners.com (http://m.mariners.mlb.com/news/article/126148858/mariners-manager-lloyd-mcclendon-not-worried-about-fernando-rodney)

[jason122883]

Hmm, Carson Smith comes in and goes through the heart of the order 1-2-3.

Please offense, score several runs so we can feel a little easier about Rodney

[jason122883]

Oh booooooooooy

[Norland]

Get your antacids ready cause we all know what time it is! RODNEY TIME!

[jason122883]

Get your antacids ready cause we all know what time it is! RODNEY TIME!

LOL, I literally just texted this to my buddy "Bust out the antacids, in comes Rodney!"

[Norland]

Lets hope Rodney can string together some good saves and I wont have to go get checked for an Ulcer by the end of the season.

[jason122883]

His best outing of the year. Nice and easy

[Norland]

Yeah didnt even put a man on base this time!

[4mightyQuinn]

was that a quick game?

[motu79]

Man, Taiwan is struuuugggling this year. He can have such nasty stuff...

[jason122883]

I still wanna give Montgomery a shot up here. Taijuan needs to head back to AAA

Farquhar needs to go too

[jason122883]

I still wanna give Montgomery a shot up here. Taijuan needs to head back to AAA

Farquhar needs to go too

I win! Farquhar was sent down today with Austin Jackson being activated. Looks like in a few days they will make another move to get an arm up here. We can only hope Weeks or Bloomquist

[motu79]

Farquhar has been Terrible this year, with a capital T! Hopefully he can figure whatever it is he needs to figure out.

[jason122883]

Looks like Happ has Taijuanitis in the first here. Hope he rebounds

[SadPenguiNinja]

Bases loaded and no outs for the Mariners. How will they mess it up this time?

[Norland]

Kyle Seager ends that Grand Salami drought!

[SadPenguiNinja]

Kyle Seager ends that Grand Salami drought!

About damn time! That was nice to see. Only the Mariners can go more than a year without a grand slam...

[jason122883]

Let's nail this one down, Rodney

[Norland]

Rodney needs a nice long string of easy saves...make this #3 in a row!

[trixstar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CF-p5wbVIAM6R0f.jpg

[Norland]

I guess the old Rodney is back....where did I put those antacids?

[jason122883]

Rodney sucks so bad. They need to make the move to Smith

[fritzfreddie]

If only Ackley had some hops

[exitmusicblue]

watching with popcorn...

[Norland]

Rodney sucks so bad. They need to make the move to Smith

Lloyd wont make that move until Rodney has blown 10 saves and even then he will insist that Rodney is his guy!

[jason122883]

Ackley made a heck of an effort on that ball

[fritzfreddie]

Of course that happened

[SadPenguiNinja]

Thanks Cano...

[jason122883]

Cano shares this blown save.

Rodney still blows

[Norland]

Thanks Rodney go shot that arrow up your butt!

[SadPenguiNinja]

At least its going into extra innings! Looks like Cano is letting his terrible hitting affect his fielding???

[Norland]

Seager is the opposite of Rodney!

[Norland]

It is just plain wrong that Rodney is in line for the win now....

[vwnut13]

Cano. lol

Only eight and a half more years!

[trixstar]

Never a doubt.

[Norland]

Yeah a win!

[jason122883]

Rodney got the win earlier in the year, when he blew Felix 4 run lead.

Unfortunately, that throw by Cano is gonna give Lloyd a reason to not put it on Rodney

[trixstar]

Pretty cool for those who didn't hear the cal (riz is doing radio for a while) Tribute to Dave

Streamable - simple video sharing (http://streamable.com/0eod)

[fritzfreddie]

Lloyd will stick with him but he certainly can't be so silly to use that as excuse, game was almost over on a grand slam with no outs.

[jason122883]

Lloyd will stick with him but he certainly can't be so silly to use that as excuse, game was almost over on a grand slam with no outs.

I guarantee he will say "He did get the groundball he needed"

[fritzfreddie]

At least this secured a winning road trip, hopefully they can board the plane going 6-3.

[jason122883]

Pretty cool for those who didn't hear the cal (riz is doing radio for a while) Tribute to Dave

Streamable - simple video sharing (http://streamable.com/0eod)

Yeah, that is pretty awesome. I miss listening to Niehaus. He had really cut back his last few years anyways, but he was a legend

[Devi8or]

Looks like we've got ourselves a good old fashioned pitching battle today

[trixstar]

Mariners have to face the No. 1, 2, 3 and 11 in strikeout leaders over a 5 game stretch.

[fritzfreddie]

NICE! Finally got the King the lead. Thanks Cruz

[Devi8or]

#boom

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[motu79]

I'm glad they're letting Felix get these Complete Game Shut-outs this year. Even though he had a RECORD BREAKING year last year, I think the lack of complete games and shutouts, hurt his chances against that dude from Cleveland.

[fritzfreddie]

Don't think Lloyd has changed his thinking, Felix was just that efficient with the help of the DPs. Only pitched 102 and 101 in the complete games so not like Lloyd is riding him in the 9th with a high count.

[motu79]

Don't think Lloyd has changed his thinking, Felix was just that efficient with the help of the DPs. Only pitched 102 and 101 in the complete games so not like Lloyd is riding him in the 9th with a high count.


Still. He could have had a couple complete games last year, but he would always hand the ball to Rodney.

I think his mind has changed this year in regards to Felix (and Rodney). We'll see as the year goes on.

[jason122883]

Im just glad we signed Cruz. That was some clutch hitting

[jraarmy]

Anybody ever gone back and watched this? The ending gives me chills every time! Reminds how special that time was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr0OFs1HQ7U

[jason122883]

Anybody ever gone back and watched this? The ending gives me chills every time! Reminds how special that time was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr0OFs1HQ7U

Haha. I didn't even have to click the link to know what it was. Still my favorite moment as a Mariners fan

[jason122883]

Today we get to face the guy that edged out Felix for the Cy Young last year. I've never really watched Kluber pitch

[jason122883]

Man, with his power and defense, if Zunino could become a .250 hitter, I'd be tickled pink

[jason122883]

Looks like Paxton needs to work on fielding his position. Two easy ones this inning he whiffed on

[Norland]

Seems like our guys dont have their heads in the game tonight. bunch of little mental errors.

[motu79]

I know we won, but Rodney needs to go. I don't care who is closer from here on out, I just don't want to see that crooked hat in 9th inning again.

[trixstar]

Tai needed that type of performance.

[Norland]

What is most annoying is he still shoots the damn arrow even after he almost blows the game and was lucky to get out of there.

[NeedChapmans]

I know we won, but Rodney needs to go. I don't care who is closer from here on out, I just don't want to see that crooked hat in 9th inning again.

I understand Rodney continues to make things more interesting than they should be in the 9th, but the fact remains that if you pull Carson Smith from the close game role, and use him as closer, you have to use Rodney in close games. And that will mean a lot of lost leads earlier on.

Rodney is 14/16 in saves this season, and the Mariners have picked up the W in one of those two blown games. That's still pretty good ... look around the league and you'll find a lot of other closers with much better ERA's and worse closing percentages.

I'd rather have Rodney in the game with a 3 run lead in the 9th, than a tie game in the 7th. I don't think any Mariner fan wants to see him pitching without a lead.

[4mightyQuinn]

Rodney puts another in his piggy bank

[motu79]

I understand Rodney continues to make things more interesting than they should be in the 9th, but the fact remains that if you pull Carson Smith from the close game role, and use him as closer, you have to use Rodney in close games. And that will mean a lot of lost leads earlier on.

Rodney is 14/16 in saves this season, and the Mariners have picked up the W in one of those two blown games. That's still pretty good ... look around the league and you'll find a lot of other closers with much better ERA's and worse closing percentages.

I'd rather have Rodney in the game with a 3 run lead in the 9th, than a tie game in the 7th. I don't think any Mariner fan wants to see him pitching without a lead.


Ha, I don't want to see him period!

[NeedChapmans]

Ha, I don't want to see him period!

Last year of his contract, you might see Seattle trade him; but that's more hope than reality.

[rcearley]

Last year of his contract, you might see Seattle trade him; but that's more hope than reality.

I would rather see them trade Zunino, he is terrible.

[NeedChapmans]

I would rather see them trade Zunino, he is terrible.

I think Seattle would get quite a lot for Zunino ... he's paced to be a 4 WAR player this season ...

2015 Regular Season MLB Baseball Batting Statistics - MLB Catchers - Major League Baseball - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/c/sort/WARBR/order/true)

[jason122883]

I agree that I would rather not see Rodney at all at this point.

[jason122883]

And as much as Zunino ticks me off, I do not want to trade him. He's young, very good defensively and has nice pop. His big issue is contact, and pitch recognition. He will chase stuff in the other batters box

[NeedChapmans]

And as much as Zunino ticks me off, I do not want to trade him. He's young, very good defensively and has nice pop. His big issue is contact, and pitch recognition. He will chase stuff in the other batters box

And outside of it!

The only thing making him of good value is that defense. Best in baseball according to the numbers and he has had a much better May than April (actually hitting .240), so he has hope. One day though, it would be nice if "hope" and "potential" are not words associated with him.

[jason122883]

And outside of it!

The only thing making him of good value is that defense. Best in baseball according to the numbers and he has had a much better May than April (actually hitting .240), so he has hope. One day though, it would be nice if "hope" and "potential" are not words associated with him.

Ackley has gotten this far on those words alone. I have pulled for Ackley every season. At this point, I have given up hope on him and his career. I know high picks in baseball bust all the time, but the word on him was hitting for average even in the bigs would never be an issue. WRONG

[death2redemptions]

I would rather see them trade Zunino, he is terrible.

Career .200 avg & .261 OBP.

Good power & good defense but his plate discipline is beyond terrible & can't make consistent contact. I had him on my fantasy league but had to drop him. I preferred having no catcher on my team vs. Zunino because all he did was give me negative points everyday with the occasional home run. In my league he is left without a team. Nobody wants to pick him up on free agency. Not worth dropping a player for.

[linderaaron]

I understand Rodney continues to make things more interesting than they should be in the 9th, but the fact remains that if you pull Carson Smith from the close game role, and use him as closer, you have to use Rodney in close games. And that will mean a lot of lost leads earlier on.

Rodney is 14/16 in saves this season, and the Mariners have picked up the W in one of those two blown games. That's still pretty good ... look around the league and you'll find a lot of other closers with much better ERA's and worse closing percentages.

I'd rather have Rodney in the game with a 3 run lead in the 9th, than a tie game in the 7th. I don't think any Mariner fan wants to see him pitching without a lead.

Very well put and I couldn't agree more. Yes it is also frustrating Zunino Swings at everything and misses 82% of the time but it is still way too early to be bringing out the tarps on him. I personally am not a big fan of drafting catchers so high but that's me. There is still a ton of potential. The worry should start in a couple years when the potential has not blossomed into an major league hitter. His defense is just as important as his offense. Just look at Dan Wilson. Not a great hitter but his defense was tops.

[trixstar]

I would rather see them trade Zunino, he is terrible.

This will never happen and it shouldn't even be discussed.

[4mightyQuinn]

too late to trade anyone, maybe walker getting a huge relief will give everyone else relief and then they show us they can win!

[lindeman79]

Does King Felix get win number 9 on Monday against the Yankees? Pineda is having a good year. I hope he throws a shutout anyway.

[fritzfreddie]

Francona is a tool

[tajikey]

Does King Felix get win number 9 on Monday against the Yankees? Pineda is having a good year. I hope he throws a shutout anyway.

I certainly hope so!

[jason122883]

At this point in the season, I just have a bad feeling about this team. Offensively we just have way too many holes, and really no desire to make any changes.

I had high hopes coming in to this season. Now I'd be surprised if we sniffed the playoffs

[4mightyQuinn]

At this point in the season, I just have a bad feeling about this team. Offensively we just have way too many holes, and really no desire to make any changes.

I had high hopes coming in to this season. Now I'd be surprised if we sniffed the playoffs

I agree, this is gonna be good, last year was great till the last 2 week playoff snif

[4mightyQuinn]

Yankees drop the mustache bit?

[kvwjw]

At this point in the season, I just have a bad feeling about this team. Offensively we just have way too many holes, and really no desire to make any changes.

I had high hopes coming in to this season. Now I'd be surprised if we sniffed the playoffs

yea and we keep trading our Bullpen depth the best part of our team last year and the current pen has blown alot of games. Wasnt a fan of moving Medina for Castillo. I just see us way to close to losing this guy or that guy and the team having even more holes.

[jason122883]

Looks like Taylor went back down to AAA for a RP

[jason122883]

I love Seager's defense

[fritzfreddie]

22 for 40 on SB attempts, seems should stop running if that bad at it

[jason122883]

22 for 40 on SB attempts, seems should stop running if that bad at it

Austin Jackson is one of those guys that I think, thinks he is faster than he really is. I've never thought he had the kinda speed to swipe bags. On the other hand, I've always wanted to see Miller and Ackley run more on the bases.

So, with the forecast calling for rain, why did they not just start the game with the roof closed?

[fritzfreddie]

Yeah, maybe it is just the wrong people, Jackson, Cano, and Seager are 11 of 18 CS. And an impressive 8 SB for their collective efforts.

[jason122883]

Man seeing Didi replacing Jeter reminds me of the old days. I'm a Lions fan, and we had Ron Rivers replace Barry Sanders. Its' not even just a downgrade. It's brutal

[jason122883]

Like I mentioned earlier about the rain. How do you know it's coming and not be proactive? Felix is sliding all over the pitching mound out there

[NeedChapmans]

Like I mentioned earlier about the rain. How do you know it's coming and not be proactive? Felix is sliding all over the pitching mound out there

Gotta love McCann there. Felix can't throw a strike, walks two straight, 2-0, ball 3 coming ... double play. Whew.

[jason122883]

Gotta love McCann there. Felix can't throw a strike, walks two straight, 2-0, ball 3 coming ... double play. Whew.

Yeah. I'll take that all day

[jason122883]

Dave Sims is losing his marbles

Just called Cruz Cano. Earlier mentioned the dominance Felix has had against the Mariners. Then mentioned the passed ball by Girardi after the pitch got away from Zunino back there. That's a lot of mistakes

[jason122883]

Looks like it is gonna be a short outing for Felix. He just can't find his command

[NeedChapmans]

Looks like it is gonna be a short outing for Felix. He just can't find his command

With the long game yesterday, Felix is gonna have to find it ASAP. Mariners can't burn through 5 innings of relief today.

[jason122883]

Damn Felix. You look like garbage tonight

[jason122883]

Looks like I may get my other wish though. Sounds like Montgomery may be starting for Seattle tomorrow

[razorsharp]

Zunino is a classic example of how WAR is just a tool not the be-all and end-all.

There is no doubt he has absolutely killed the Mariners this season with his unprofessional and utterly disgraceful AB's. His defense doesn't make up for his offense no matter what WAR tells you.

[4mightyQuinn]

Dave Sims is losing his marbles

Just called Cruz Cano. Earlier mentioned the dominance Felix has had against the Mariners. Then mentioned the passed ball by Girardi after the pitch got away from Zunino back there. That's a lot of mistakes

ha ha must be just a case of june gloom in west WA

[fritzfreddie]

Lloyd with one of the more entertaining ejections I have seen in awhile

[4mightyQuinn]

Cano can change

[SadPenguiNinja]

That was interesting, Seager bunting with 2 outs??? So much failure on this team, it is tough to watch...

[Devi8or]

And right on queue, FRE in full effect

[Norland]

lol and we cant blame Lloyd for using Rodney cause he was in the clubhouse screaming at Rodney like the rest of us!

[motu79]

Man, I hate Rodney...

And I tell my girls hate is a bad word, soo.. Ha

[jraarmy]

So tired of Rodney

[Norland]

So how many more blown saves will Rodney have before he loses his closer role?

[randomhereoh]

Soul Crusher

[crtsports]

That was a tough game to watch at the end

[fritzfreddie]

Tough to watch the whole way. So many hits, so little runs. Yankees getting two check swing no swing calls that leads to a run. Blown save.

[Devi8or]

Tough to watch the whole way. So many hits, so little runs. Yankees getting two check swing no swing calls that leads to a run. Blown save.

yeah it was a rough night, timely hitting definitely hasn't been our strong point. I know Lloyd is so loyal to Fernando, but he really hasn't had too many clean games, even when he picks up the save. I just odn't understand how you can keep throwing him out there and expect him to change. Every save he DOES get is an adventure in itself.

Personally I'd like to see Montero get the call. Just throw Cruz as full time RF and let Montero DH, he couldn't be any worse then Weeks, who has been almost useless so far...including that terrible sac bunt last night

It's tough to see this team making a strong playoff run at this moment in time, they are just too inconsistent from top to bottom. They have the talent and the pieces, but just never seem to click at the same time

[razorsharp]

Zunino killing another rally.

What else is new?

[4mightyQuinn]

Zunino killing another rally.

What else is new?

hes on the mlb tv now!

[razorsharp]

Logan Morrison with one of the worst 3-2 swings I have ever seen.

Who in the world is the Mariners batting coach? How is it possible to have this many undisciplined hitters?

[trixstar]

I highly doubt Ackley, Zunino, Justin Ruggiano and Rickie Weeks even have jobs if they are on other teams.

[motu79]

I'm just about ready to write these guys off. No consistency - ANYWHERE!

- Great pitching, no hitting

- Good hitting, the pitching sucks

- Great starting pitching, Rodney f's it away

- Lots of hits, but no runs because they can't hit with guys on-base

- Bullpen is struuuugling this year

- Cano is LOST at the plate

- Jack Z needs to be fired before the All-Star break

Anything else to add to this team this year that I'm missing? It's hard watching em this year...

[Devi8or]

I'm just about ready to write these guys off. No consistency - ANYWHERE!

- Great pitching, no hitting

- Good hitting, the pitching sucks

- Great starting pitching, Rodney f's it away

- Lots of hits, but no runs because they can't hit with guys on-base

- Bullpen is struuuugling this year

- Cano is LOST at the plate

- Jack Z needs to be fired before the All-Star break

Anything else to add to this team this year that I'm missing? It's hard watching em this year...

Unfortunately a lot of those are the same issues plaguing them year in and year out. I'm honestly not sure at this point if it's bad coaching or players not playing to their potential anymore.

We've gone through many managers, hitting coaches, prospects, vets, you name it. The same problems exist then, that do now. I don't know where to place the blame anymore, it just seems like no matter what they change, it somehow never ends with a different result

Cano last year and Cruz this year were obviously bright spots, do we need to be one of those teams that relies more heavily on proven star players and shy away from budding talent? Lord knows we've had plenty of talent through the minors and most never live up to their hype.

Ideally we would love to hold our top prospects and hope they breakout, but are we valuing them too much and wasting away the best years of Felix that we have? We've had far too many top prospects be average players than turn into Mike Trouts in the recent years.

Being young was always a good excuse for their struggles, at this point that excuse just doesn't seem to hold much water anymore. They need to shake it up and move some prospects or hit the big Free Agents if they want to go anywhere it seems. Lord knows we have a knack for making talent fizzle out in the majors

[billbanning]

Mariners trade Leone, Castillo, Jack Reinheimer, and Gaby Guerrero for Mark Trumbo and Vidal Nuno. Mariners To Acquire Mark Trumbo - MLB Trade Rumors (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/06/mariners-to-acquire-mark-trumbo.html)

[Devi8or]

Mariners trade Leone, Castillo, Jack Reinheimer, and Gaby Guerrero for Mark Trumbo and Vidal Nuno. Mariners To Acquire Mark Trumbo - MLB Trade Rumors (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/06/mariners-to-acquire-mark-trumbo.html)

Personally I like the trade. Trumbo isn't exactly a OBP machine but he brings decent avg and some RH pop. Plus we gave up a mediocre backup catcher, an under performing RP and 2 prospects. The only one in gonna miss is Guerrero.

Guess this goes to the point I made earlier of moving potential for proven players

[billbanning]

Personally I like the trade. Trumbo isn't exactly a OBP machine but he brings decent avg and some RH pop. Plus we gave up a mediocre backup catcher, an under performing RP and 2 prospects. The only one in gonna miss is Guerrero.

Guess this goes to the point I made earlier of moving potential for proven players

I like it too. 2012 he hit 35 HR's and 100 RBI's. I know a lot has happened since then but maybe the AL pitching will be a breath of fresh air for him. As long as he stays out of left lol

[SadPenguiNinja]

Hoping for a Trumbomb...

[fritzfreddie]

Can't score runs off a scrub

[SadPenguiNinja]

Mariners are cursed...by who I do not know. They can't do anything right.

[razorsharp]

At the rate he's going, Zunino is going to retire as the worst hitter in MLB history.

[SadPenguiNinja]

Another loss at home! Do they even have a slight chance to win another game on this home stand the way they have been playing?

[trixstar]

At the rate he's going, Zunino is going to retire as the worst hitter in MLB history.

Why do you have such a hard on for bashing Zunino? I'm not about to defend his hitting right now but he calls a great game, is almost perfect with this pitching staff and frames one of the best balls in the game. He's got plus power and was in the majors (I think) less than 12 months from being in the college WS. Zunino is one of the least problems on this staff.

[jason122883]

Man, thank God I've been out of town the last few days and haven't had to watch these games

[razorsharp]

Why do you have such a hard on for bashing Zunino? I'm not about to defend his hitting right now but he calls a great game, is almost perfect with this pitching staff and frames one of the best balls in the game. He's got plus power and was in the majors (I think) less than 12 months from being in the college WS. Zunino is one of the least problems on this staff.

Where has that "great game calling" gotten the Mariners? 12 months? This is his 3rd year in the league now. He has almost 800 AB's.

He is the worst hitting catcher in the Majors on a team that already can't score runs. He is a terrible fit. You can sacrifice offense at catcher if you already have offense but the Mariners don't.

[fritzfreddie]

Good call Lloyd

[motu79]

This team is gonna get blown up. Could be GM, manager, coaches, and players. Rodney better be first to go...

[Norland]

Austin Jackson may have just saved Rodney's butt from another loss...

[NeedChapmans]

Austin Jackson may have just saved Rodney's butt from another loss...

One way or another, this is going to be epic.

[Norland]

wow this team just doesnt know how to win.