Seattle Mariners Thread

[Norland]

Nice stop by Miller but bad throw.

[jason122883]

Paxton pitched a gem of an inning there. Got around that error

[jason122883]

Too close though. Gotta be willing to swing the bat

[jason122883]

LooooMooooooo!

[Norland]

GO LOMO! Now lets not give up the lead!

[swise0121]

woooooooooo. can't follow on ESPN. I think the whole pitcher batting thing broke the scoring updates for this game. lol

[Norland]

try the one on MLB.org

[swise0121]

really threw ESPN for a loop with that one i guess

[jason122883]

Dumb chin :) Wish that woulda got by

[Norland]

sorry mlb.com

[Norland]

You see Stanton take in the face last night? Cant believe the 1st base ump said he swung at it

[jason122883]

Was brutal

[jason122883]

Way to settle down Paxton!

[Norland]

That should be Paxton's last inning. In line for the win.

[jason122883]

That should be Paxton's last inning. In line for the win.

With the depth of our pen in September, I agree

[Norland]

Darn that caught stealing cost us a run!

[jason122883]

Ugh! I love the HR, no doubt. But Cano just got thrown out

[swise0121]

bittersweet. happens more times than you'd think. CS then a HR

[Norland]

We need more insurance runs....Heart Attack Rodney will prolly come in for the save.

[jason122883]

We need more insurance runs....Heart Attack Rodney will prolly come in for the save.

C'mon! Don't use that language this early in the game. I haven't taken my heart medicine yet :)

[Norland]

Lol ok then hope we score 4 more runs so we don't have to use Rodney in the 9th.

[jason122883]

Lol ok then hope we score 4 more runs so we don't have to use Rodney in the 9th.

Yes and no. Kinda wanna see him set the Mariners saves record :)

[Norland]

lol still have 16 more games after tonight to break the record.

[jason122883]

Cano's arm is ridiculously strong

[Norland]

Finally a 1-2-3 inning!

[Norland]

Cano's arm is ridiculously strong

What amazes me is he makes it look so easy. It's almost like he moves in slow motion.

[jason122883]

LoMo has been hitting very well since July. Very encouraging

[Norland]

I wish our bats would have as much of an impact as our pitching does.

[jason122883]

Can NOT walk someone to get to Dunn

[Norland]

Short hook for the rookie.

[jason122883]

Exhale, whew!

[jason122883]

Haha. Tom Glassgow or whatever his name is looks so dead tired. He's eyes were so bloodshot, and he could barely keep them open

[swise0121]

What i'd give to hear Dave call these games down the stretch.
RIP

[jason122883]

What i'd give to hear Dave call these games down the stretch.
RIP

One of the greatest announcers in Baseball history IMO

"Get out the rye bread and mustard Grandma, it's grand salami time!"

I hope I didn't butcher that quote too much :)

[Norland]

Hold on and get ready for Rodney time!

[swise0121]

One of the greatest announcers in Baseball history IMO

"Get out the rye bread and mustard Grandma, it's grand salami time!"

I hope I didn't butcher that quote too much :)

No doubt about it. He was the Pat Summerall of baseball for me. Absolute legend.

[jason122883]

Ugh. C'mon Rodney

[NeedChapmans]

Ahhh Rodney time off to a Rodney start.

[jason122883]

I don't understand why Rodney has to make it like this almost EVERY outing

[Norland]

Why can't he just get a save that doesnt make the fans want to pull their hair out?

[jason122883]

Lets just get the DP and get the hell outta this game

[swise0121]

uno.........

[jason122883]

Swise. I can only assume you are Shane on Aces? :)

Just saw a post on there, and all the players looked familiar

[fritzfreddie]

Come on guys, wasn't that long ago he had a clean save. Was the late rain delay Texas game. Probably not due to have another clean one for a couple weeks yet.

[NeedChapmans]

Behind on the fastball ... if you throw a change, you need to keep it away. Nothing inner half because his bat will be right on it.

[jason122883]

One more, just one more

[NeedChapmans]

One more Fernando. Make it happen!

[Norland]

1 more out!

[swise0121]

Swise. I can only assume you are Shane on Aces? :)

Just saw a post on there, and all the players looked familiar

that be me

[NeedChapmans]

Huge game mariners

[jason122883]

Woohoo! Go Mariners!

Do your thing tomorrow Felix

[Norland]

Yup just a half game behind the A's now. Great chance to overtake them and be 1.5 games ahead if they sweep!

[NeedChapmans]

If Seattle can find a way to go 10-6 down the stretch, it's a guaranteed WC birth.

The very good news for Seattle is that 7 of those 16 come against the best team in baseball. You might think that's not so great, but because the Angels have the division 100% wrapped up; they won't be playing hard at all, especially that last three game set in Seattle to close the season.

Wouldn't surprise me to see guys like Pujols, Trout and the rest to get a few deserved off-days against Seattle.

[jason122883]

If Seattle can find a way to go 10-6 down the stretch, it's a guaranteed WC birth.

The very good news for Seattle is that 7 of those 16 come against the best team in baseball. You might think that's not so great, but because the Angels have the division 100% wrapped up; they won't be playing hard at all, especially that last three game set in Seattle to close the season.

Wouldn't surprise me to see guys like Pujols, Trout and the rest to get a few deserved off-days against Seattle.

I'm not sure I am 100% on board with you here. I think if it's that close, The Angels are not gonna roll over and rest their guys, and let us get into the playoffs. No one wants to face Felix and Kuma

[NeedChapmans]

I'm not sure I am 100% on board with you here. I think if it's that close, The Angels are not gonna roll over and rest their guys, and let us get into the playoffs. No one wants to face Felix and Kuma

I can't think of any team that doesn't play the bench on the final weekend with everything locked up. Especially considering what happened this weekend with all the hits being taken to the head on pitches ...

Can you imagine if Trout is playing on Sunday in Seattle and takes one to the wrist? Pretty sure Scioscia would be fired on the spot.

[Norland]

I'm going to the game next Wed in Anaheim. Hope Paxton finds the strike zone better next week!

[fritzfreddie]

Also might depend on whether they care about having the best record or not. Orioles aren't that far back.

In the end I could see them resting some guys if comfortable with their position in the AL. I think they would worry more about how to handle their guys over who their opponent might be.

A's, Detroit, KC, and Mariners all have pretty decent staffs so not sure they care what 2 end up in the WC game. At this rate the WC winner may even have to win a Get into the WC game and the WC game to make a 5 game series really putting their pitching in a hole.

[trixstar]

Felix on pace for 45-pitch shutout. :P

[swise0121]

checking in. feeling good about this one tonight

[fritzfreddie]

Looking at the crowd shots, it seems the whole put on a t-shirt concept is pretty tough to understand.

[Norland]

It's nice to see Safeco full for once.

[jason122883]

Missing high right now

[Norland]

Nice easy inning for the King!

[swise0121]

get that ERA under 2

[Norland]

LoMo slide was way wide and not even close to the base

[jason122883]

LOL, that was hilarious.

He should be out

[fritzfreddie]

Working Gray's pitch count pretty good all game until that at bat, nice job Z, hit into a DP on pitch 1.

[Norland]

Just realized the M's are wearing their Marineros jerseys.

[jason122883]

Just realized the M's are wearing their Marineros jerseys.

Yeah, they talked a bit about it

[Norland]

Nice lead off triple!

[jason122883]

HUGE. Need to get that run in

[Norland]

Nice hitting by Taylor.

[jason122883]

There we go Taylor!

[Norland]

ouch these DP are really killing any rallys.

[jason122883]

Man, that pitch was right over the middle to Dunn, no call

[jason122883]

Jesus guys, another flippin double play

[Norland]

I think for the rest of the game put the runners in motion...these DP are killing us!

[jason122883]

I think for the rest of the game put the runners in motion...these DP are killing us!

Agreed!

Felix looks sharp tonight

[jason122883]

Just can't hang that pitch to someone like Donaldson

[Norland]

Need our offense to wake up and stop hitting into DP's!

[jason122883]

Lets get some runs here!

[jason122883]

Gray has looked pretty sharp tonight too

[jason122883]

Can't feel too comfortable about this now

We NEED to comeback and win this one. We can't lose with Felix on the mound. Especially being followed by Chris Young tomorrow

[jason122883]

Anyone remember the last time Zunino made a good throw down to 2nd?

[fritzfreddie]

Part of the reason you deal with the bad average is the defense so when was the last time Zunino had a good throw to second?

[Norland]

Anyone remember the last time Zunino made a good throw down to 2nd?

Today during fielding practice.

[GoHawks25]

Strikeout :)!

[jason122883]

It's a sad time when you are down 1 and you feel like you have already lost the game

Lets go offense!

[GoHawks25]

Let's go Cano.

[jason122883]

Thank you Cano!

[GoHawks25]

Home Run!!!! 2-2!!!

[Norland]

GO CANO! Tied it up now lets take the lead!

[jason122883]

Felix owes him a steak dinner

[GoHawks25]

lol I said Let's go Cano before the pitch :)!

[swise0121]

woooooOOOOOoooOOOOooOoo.
I hate Oakland

[fritzfreddie]

Atta boy Cano, get this game back on track.

[Norland]

Come on Kyle! Great time to hit another HR!

[jason122883]

Felix almost has as many no decisions as he does wins

[swise0121]

LoMo????????

[swise0121]

no lomo mojo

[Norland]

I can't believe I'm saying this but at this rate I will be happy to see Heart Attack Rodney come out in the 9th for a save.

[trixstar]

http://giant.gfycat.com/TenderGorgeousIberianbarbel.gif

[jason122883]

Was a thing of beauty

[swise0121]

Cano looks to the dugout and says "your're buying dinner tonight"

[jason122883]

Man, Furbush scares me as much as Rodney

[swise0121]

keep me updated again guys. you're much more entertaining than Espn updates

[jason122883]

Haha. Deal.

[jason122883]

Danny came in and went right to work. Struck him out on 3 pitches

[swise0121]

Farq!!!!!!!!!

[jason122883]

Lets get a run or two on the board here

[swise0121]

farqing awesome

[swise0121]

great farqing job farqer

[swise0121]

ok i'll stop now

[jason122883]

I think we got Farquhar in the Ichiro deal?

I remember when it happened, I heard what we got for him was not ever going to amount to much. If I am correct, that we got him in that deal, he has been a pretty big piece since coming over

[Norland]

Jones needs to steal 2nd and third right now!

[swise0121]

Jones needs to steal 2nd and third right now!

yea like the other night. that was baller. but crazy

[jason122883]

Put the game in motion

[swise0121]

updates guys. you're my eyes

[jason122883]

updates guys. you're my eyes

Haha. Nothing to update

[fritzfreddie]

Gray just hot 90 pitches? Didn't he have something like 30 pitches after 6 batters?

[jason122883]

Taylor down swinging. He has struggled to make contact since that first hit.

He has swung through a TON of pitches. Jackson up now. He's been struggling

[Norland]

Gray just hot 90 pitches? Didn't he have something like 30 pitches after 6 batters?

Yes...but 3 DP helped out his pitch count real quick.

[jason122883]

Jones to 2nd on pickoff attempt

[Norland]

I hope Austin Jackson breaks out of his slump right here!

[swise0121]

jackson aka strikeout machine

[swise0121]

here we go jackson... HERE WE GO!!!

[Norland]

Ump isn't giving the pitchers the low strike.

[jason122883]

Jackson would be a better like 7 or 8 hitter. He strikes out too much, and just doesn't get on base enough to be a leadoff guy.

[jason122883]

Struck out swinging.... Who woulda guessed

[Norland]

Jackson needs a couple of days off...

[jason122883]

I'm tired of watching someone hitting .260 leading off for us. His 44/8 K/BB ratio is not pretty with us

[Norland]

McClendon has a man crush on Jackson so it wont change any time soon.

[swise0121]

batter? count? outs?

[Norland]

man on first and 1 out

[jason122883]

2 down now 1-0 count

[jason122883]

1-2 count now on Coco

[swise0121]

thanks. let's go guys. safeco is our house. playoffs are so close

[Norland]

Zunino not helping by throwing to the wrong side of the base.

[jason122883]

Hes out. Gonna need a review

[GoHawks25]

He got him out. No way he is safe.

[jason122883]

Throw was on the wrong side, but I think he's out

[swise0121]

o.O. controversy? i like i like

[Norland]

Inning should be over lets see what replay says.

[swise0121]

steal attempt? or dropped strike 3 throw to first?

[jason122883]

Got him!

Lets get a walk off here, makes this place explode like it was 2001

[Norland]

And hes out!

[jason122883]

Was a steal attempt

[GoHawks25]

Good call, let's get a walk off on a sell out night to tie for first!!!

[Norland]

Walk off here and it will crush the A's spirits and allow the M's to sweep them tomorrow!

[swise0121]

crushing spirits. destroy A's. I like I like

[jason122883]

Walk off here and it will crush the A's spirits and allow the M's to sweep them tomorrow!

We still have Chris Young on the mound tomorrow. Gonna need more than crushed spirits for him to win :)

That's why tonight is so big

[jason122883]

Endy dribbled out to the pitcher

[Norland]

We still have Chris Young on the mound tomorrow. Gonna need more than crushed spirits for him to win :)

That's why tonight is so big

Gotta believe!

[fritzfreddie]

Come on Cano

[jason122883]

Gotta believe!

I do believe. Just realistic too. I kinda wish Young wasn't going tomorrow

[Norland]

Cano really gets a lot of pine tar on his shoulder doesn't he?

[jason122883]

Cano grounded out to 2nd

[jason122883]

Morales struck out looking terrible

[Norland]

That swing wasn't even close!

[jason122883]

Lets get em out, and then, lets see something unexpected. A Zunino walk off

[jason122883]

I hate seeing Rodney in when it's not a save situation. Doesn't even make sense right now

[Norland]

I don't like this move having Rodney pitch the 10th.

[fritzfreddie]

Has Rodney not in save situation ever worked out good?

[Norland]

And he walks the first batter...

[swise0121]

how's it working out so far?

[swise0121]

ugh.....
don't blow this

[Norland]

Man on 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

[Norland]

And he walks the bases loaded!

[jason122883]

Walked. Bags loaded

[jason122883]

Lloyd just never learns his lesson with some players

[jason122883]

Rodney isn't even frickin close

[fritzfreddie]

Yup drop this because of this move is a coaching loss in my book, had a whole season to learn not to put Rodney in here.

[Norland]

Rodney cant find the strike zone even if it was 100 feet wide!

[swise0121]

need a ground ball

[jason122883]

Struck him out looking!

[Norland]

ok need 1 more out!

[swise0121]

ouch. brandon moss be ashamed of yourself

[jason122883]

3-0 count, geez

[Norland]

OMG 3-0 count!

[jason122883]

Walked in a run. Congrats on the move Lloyd

[fritzfreddie]

A's batters toss the bats for walks as fast as anyone and that guy was digging in for another pitch.

[Norland]

SMH Rodney with 4 walks and walks in the possible winning run!

[jason122883]

2-0 again. You are TOO stupid Lloyd

[Norland]

Taylor saves 2 runs right there

[jason122883]

Great play Taylor

Go eat a fat one Rodney

[Norland]

Next sequel to Dumb and Dumber When Lloyd pitches Rodney!

[jason122883]

Lloyd deserves to take a beating in the interviews after the game regardless of the outcome.

He has really managed this team well down the stretch, but certain things that have killed us all season, he still hasn't learned from. Tonight is on him

[motu79]

Has Lloyd ever given a reason in the past why he pitches Rodney when it's not a save opportunity?

I mean, Fernando is ONLY out there to shoot his arrow, the ONLY thing. He can't do that without a save...

[fritzfreddie]

SMH Rodney with 4 walks and walks in the possible winning run!

To be fair one was intentional which when a guy is spotty with his control that is a questionable move in itself.

[jason122883]

LOL. Doolittle has 5 BB ALL year. Rodney with 4 tonight

[Norland]

Here's hoping Doolittle is rusty coming off the DL

[swise0121]

smh....
put on your rally caps guys

[NeedChapmans]

Has Lloyd ever given a reason in the past why he pitches Rodney when it's not a save opportunity?

I mean, Fernando is ONLY out there to shoot his arrow, the ONLY thing. He can't do that without a save...

Every team in baseball pitches their closer at home in the 9th or 10th in a tie game. Every single one ...

So to fault Lloyd for pitching Rodney there is impossible. However, faulting Lloyd for sticking with Rodney after X number of walks / that's doable.

Mariners need walk-off win #2; which would still be last in baseball by a longshot.

[Norland]

Id pinch hit for Zunino instead of Lomo!

[motu79]

Every team in baseball pitches their closer at home in the 9th or 10th in a tie game. Every single one ...

So to fault Lloyd for pitching Rodney there is impossible. However, faulting Lloyd for sticking with Rodney after X number of walks / that's doable.

Mariners need walk-off win #2; which would still be last in baseball by a longshot.


Why do they do this? I guess I've never thought about it.

[jason122883]

Every team in baseball pitches their closer at home in the 9th or 10th in a tie game. Every single one ...

So to fault Lloyd for pitching Rodney there is impossible. However, faulting Lloyd for sticking with Rodney after X number of walks / that's doable.

Mariners need walk-off win #2; which would still be last in baseball by a longshot.

No. You CAN fault Lloyd there. We have the best bullpen in Baseball. Rodney has shown all year, he blows in non save situations. We are playing for something. I don't care what every other manager in baseball does.

[NeedChapmans]

Why do they do this? I guess I've never thought about it.

Well, there's no save opportunity when you're at home after the 8th inning if you're not in the lead.

So you throw your closer because he is supposed to be your best pressure pitcher. No sense in saving him for another inning; because you just don't know how many you may or may not play.

[Norland]

Terrible decision to end this game by Lloyd.

[fritzfreddie]

Every team in baseball pitches their closer at home in the 9th or 10th in a tie game. Every single one ...

So to fault Lloyd for pitching Rodney there is impossible. However, faulting Lloyd for sticking with Rodney after X number of walks / that's doable.

Mariners need walk-off win #2; which would still be last in baseball by a longshot.

It's not impossible at all, we've seen this chapter enough times this year to know how it ends. Just because everyone else does something doesn't mean you do it yourself.

Have to know your players and Lloyd failed at that tonight.

[Norland]

Rodney should have been pulled when he walked the bases loaded. He showed he couldn't find the strike zone.

[jason122883]

It's not impossible at all, we've seen this chapter enough times this year to know how it ends. Just because everyone else does something doesn't mean you do it yourself.

Have to know your players and Lloyd failed at that tonight.

Lloyd blew this one twice. Put Rodney in, then kept him in even after he couldn't throw a strike

[fritzfreddie]

The whole everyone else does it argument is especially funny when playing a team that has a book and movie about their GM for doing things differently to compete.

[NeedChapmans]

Lloyd had four regular bull-pen pitchers left. Maurer / Medina / Leone / Rodney.

So Rodney doesn't pitch the 10th. He'd probably pitch the 11th, and if he didn't pitch the 11th, he throw him in the 12th.

Maurer and Medina have been shaky lately and Leone is the young kid. Again, every manager knows you pitch your bullpen backwards at home in extra innings; the fault is not on Lloyd for throwing Rodney; it's on Rodney for not throwing strikes, and then on Lloyd for leaving him in against both Moss (which worked) and Lowrie (which did not).

[NeedChapmans]

The whole everyone else does it argument is especially funny when playing a team that has a book and movie about their GM for doing things differently to compete.

Everyone does it because it's a high pressure situation and you go with your best. Closer, then set up man, then the rest of your pen.

And that GM that does things different has won 0 world series in XX years and has a team on the verge of collapse. This was not a must win game, but the loss makes tomorrow a must win game. Go get em Seattle.

[fritzfreddie]

So what would every manager do with their line-up card tomorrow because we better make sure we do what everyone else does and not think for ourselves. If Lloyd is coaching based on what others would do then that's an even bigger failure in my book.

[razorsharp]

Corey Hart is completely useless.

How is he still on the Mariners roster?

[jason122883]

So what would every manager do with their line-up card tomorrow because we better make sure we do what everyone else does and not think for ourselves. If Lloyd is coaching based on what others would do then that's an even bigger failure in my book.

I like your style

[NeedChapmans]

So what would every manager do with their line-up card tomorrow because we better make sure we do what everyone else does and not think for ourselves. If Lloyd is coaching based on what others would do then that's an even bigger failure in my book.

There are generally accepted practices held by every manager in baseball; one of which is to pitch your bullpen backwards in extra innings when at home. The philosophy is sound, and there's absolutely no reason not to ...

Simply because Lloyd follows this philosophy doesn't make him any less a manager. Perhaps he should start Taijuan Walker in the play-in game because no manager would think to do that either.

[fritzfreddie]

Everyone does it because it's a high pressure situation and you go with your best. Closer, then set up man, then the rest of your pen.

And that GM that does things different has won 0 world series in XX years and has a team on the verge of collapse. This was not a must win game, but the loss makes tomorrow a must win game. Go get em Seattle.

That GM has at least been to the playoffs what 5 or 6 times since the last time Seattle made it? He may have made a bad move this year but over his tenure he's done a fantastic job and it's because he thought for himself. He may not have won the WS but teams like the Red Sox have and because they also changed their thinking following his lead.

I know why managers would throw a closer out there but I've seen multiple reasons this year why we shouldn't be one of them. That's the reason not to.

[NeedChapmans]

That GM has at least been to the playoffs what 5 or 6 times since the last time Seattle made it? He may have made a bad move this year but over his tenure he's done a fantastic job and it's because he thought for himself. He may not have won the WS but teams like the Red Sox have and because they also changed their thinking following his lead.

I know why managers would throw a closer out there but I've seen multiple reasons this year why we shouldn't be one of them. That's the reason not to.

Everyone had reasons not to be out there. Medina blew it against Houston w/ 2 outs earlier this week and against Baltimore in the 10th six weeks ago; Maurer's ERA is over 7 in his last 10 appearances, and Leone is the young rookie that few managers would trust in such a large game.

Again though, the Mariners didn't score in the 10th, so you'd have to pick another pitcher to trot back out there for the 11th.

You go with Rodney. Any other choice that doesn't work out; you get second guessed to death because you left your pressure pitcher in the pen.

[fritzfreddie]

There are generally accepted practices held by every manager in baseball; one of which is to pitch your bullpen backwards in extra innings when at home. The philosophy is sound, and there's absolutely no reason not to ...

Simply because Lloyd follows this philosophy doesn't make him any less a manager. Perhaps he should start Taijuan Walker in the play-in game because no manager would think to do that either.

Sound philosophy if using random data sure but we know how Rodney looks in that role. It was also sound philosophy for many years to bunt a guy into scoring position but many people have abandoned that early in games because data told them that it was less efficient many times for scoring runs. Just because people always do something doesn't mean everyone has to continue to do it.

Nothing to say about the second paragraph because that is just grasping at straws. How does that compare to seeing Rodney struggle time and again in a certain situation? Have we seen this one time and again? Nope.

[Devi8or]

Lol funny moment here

My daughter loomed 3 Mariners colored bracelets to give to some players when we were there. She gave them to Felix and told him to give one to Rodney and Seager. In Rodney post-game it was hanging in his locker

She's gonna be over the moon excited to see that

[NeedChapmans]

Sound philosophy if using random data sure but we know how Rodney looks in that role. It was also sound philosophy for many years to bunt a guy into scoring position but many people have abandoned that early in games because data told them that it was less efficient many times for scoring runs. Just because people always do something doesn't mean everyone has to continue to do it.

Nothing to say about the second paragraph because that is just grasping at straws. How does that compare to seeing Rodney struggle time and again in a certain situation? Have we seen this one time and again? Nope.

You're angry because the Mariners lost, I get it. But you still haven't said who you would have had throw the 10th, and then the 11th ...

Perhaps because Rodney was the best of what was left. McClendon got an extra inning out of Danny in the 9th, and had absolutely no choice but to pitch Rodney in the 10th. If Rodney was available to pitch in the 9th with the lead, he damn well better pitch in the 10th with a tie game.

[billbanning]

Lol funny moment here

My daughter loomed 3 Mariners colored bracelets to give to some players when we were there. She gave them to Felix and told him to give one to Rodney and Seager. In Rodney post-game it was hanging in his locker

She's gonna be over the moon excited to see that

I remember last year when Kyle Seager had his picture with her in his locker. It reminds me how important sports teams are to a community and how great it is that your daughter has been able to find some joy to offset all the pain she's had to endure. Whenever I see her smile , be it on here or on TV, it makes me smile. Thank you for sharing her story.

[fritzfreddie]

Everyone had reasons not to be out there. Medina blew it against Houston w/ 2 outs earlier this week and against Baltimore in the 10th six weeks ago; Maurer's ERA is over 7 in his last 10 appearances, and Leone is the young rookie that few managers would trust in such a large game.

Again though, the Mariners didn't score in the 10th, so you'd have to pick another pitcher to trot back out there for the 11th.

You go with Rodney. Any other choice that doesn't work out; you get second guessed to death because you left your pressure pitcher in the pen.

Whatever. Just the reaction for when Rodney was put into this game in this thread tells quite the story. If Medina comes in I don't think you'd see the same 'Oh crap' reaction and I don't think anyone would question why Rodney wasn't there to start it if they score on Medina. Exchange Medina for whatever name you like.

If Lloyd isn't secure enough to defend his decisions if they go against the norm then that's an issue to me. Because everyone else does it is not a good reason. Managers should be leaders and not followers.

[NeedChapmans]

Whatever. Just the reaction for when Rodney was put into this game in this thread tells quite the story. If Medina comes in I don't think you'd see the same 'Oh crap' reaction and I don't think anyone would question why Rodney wasn't there to start it if they score on Medina. Exchange Medina for whatever name you like.

If Lloyd isn't secure enough to defend his decisions if they go against the norm then that's an issue to me. Because everyone else does it is not a good reason. Managers should be leaders and not followers.

Rodney is 44/47 in save situations this year. The reason you get the reaction when he comes in is because he doesn't make it easy; always allowing runners on base, giving up 1 run when ahead by two ... whatever the case may be.

I mean comon. Rodney has been the second best closer in all of baseball this year; and you don't want to pitch him at all in a tie game? What kind of message does that send to Rodney BTW ... "Sorry, you're no good when the game is on the line"

The man had a bad game, a very bad inning. When you are constantly in high leverage situations, the ones you pitch poorly in are magnified. I just don't understand how you blame a manager for doing exactly what he's supposed to do.

You'd benefit from rooting for a team managed by Dusty Baker. Would let you appreciate just how terrific McClendon has been this season.

[fritzfreddie]

Rodney is 44/47 in save situations this year. The reason you get the reaction when he comes in is because he doesn't make it easy; always allowing runners on base, giving up 1 run when ahead by two ... whatever the case may be.

I mean comon. Rodney has been the second best closer in all of baseball this year; and you don't want to pitch him at all in a tie game? What kind of message does that send to Rodney BTW ... "Sorry, you're no good when the game is on the line"

The man had a bad game, a very bad inning. When you are constantly in high leverage situations, the ones you pitch poorly in are magnified. I just don't understand how you blame a manager for doing exactly what he's supposed to do.

You'd benefit from rooting for a team managed by Dusty Baker. Would let you appreciate just how terrific McClendon has been this season.

I wouldn't start Rodney in a neutral position meaning tied with no one out or on base. Put someone in there like say medina and if he gets in trouble then Rodney could come in and 'save' the situation or try at least. Guys are wired weirdly. Some pitchers can't close to save their life but can pitch the 8th and be dominant. Rodney needs to save something and it seems clear that a tied game with no one on doesn't count. His juices don't flow the same way.

I'd expect a manager to notice that and manage accordingly.

And the reaction in this thread was directly tied to a non-save situation. Everyone is antsy when he comes in but 45/48 is great. He gets the job done in those spots most of the time. There is a 100% difference between, 'Oh no, get your heart medicine' that comes with a save chance with Rodney and the 'Oh crap, what is Lloyd dong' that came tonight in a non-save chance. One is a joke preparing oneself for an interesting inning that has gone our way most of the time and the other is a befuddlement of decision making.

I've cheered for teams in sports that had worse managers than Dusty Baker so please don't act like you know I have never had to deal with a bad coach and thus don't know it could be worse. I'm not saying Lloyd is terrible or anything but it's puzzling why he can't read this situation better.

I won't excuse him for a bad decision though just 'because everyone else would do it.' That's a terrible excuse. That sounds like coaching not to get fired rather than coaching to win. Is it better to lose and not deal with awkward questions why Rodney didn't pitch or (possibly) win by going unconventional.

According to the line-up card the Mariners tweeted a photo of, Mariners listed 12 pitchers available tonight and Rodney was the 5th used. Seems like he had a ton of options.

[exitmusicblue]

Sheesh Mariners fans, don't be so hard on yourselves.. whatevers ! it's one game

[horton]

Tough loss last night, we really need to win today's game. I was looking at the remaining schedule last night and looks like Seattle has the toughest one between Seattle, Detroit, Royals and A's really need the offense to pick it up

[NeedChapmans]

A very inauspicious start ...

Morales w/ a killer 1st inning.

[fritzfreddie]

Love seeing the stolen bases, too bad they haven't cashed anything in yet.

[jason122883]

Need to capitalize here

[jason122883]

LMAO. Way to go offense

[fritzfreddie]

And the wheels have come off this game

[fritzfreddie]

Sad to say but good thing the Mariners hit the road, hopefully can keep growing the stellar road record. Hopefully the Angels are about to cool off some.

[swise0121]

anyone watching the game tonight?

[fritzfreddie]

Yeah, Kuma pitching well so far and offense doing their thing which of course is not much

[fritzfreddie]

Well, he was doing well until he walked the 9 batter and now that was followed up with a single, walk, and an 0-2 double after fouling like 5 pitches off.

Feels like game already. Just can't walk guys in these games.

[razorsharp]

Terrible pitching by Iwakuma, just terrible.

Did he not realize he had Pujols 0-2?

[kvwjw]

Kuma has been bad for a while now. If we somehow make the playoffs Paxton should be the #2 if we can get it that way. When i look back to what was done wrong id have to say bad managing. The constant moving guys back never did anything for us and this last time he did it every starter pitched bad. Felix had 2 bad starts, Kuma has had 4, Young had like 3, Paxton had 1, i think Elias is the only one who didnt seem to crap out on the extended rest. And that doesnt even factor in the horrible Erasmo starts and the recent letting Rodney walk 100 guys to lose the game. What you guys call good managing im seeing horrible managing in areas. Hes only been made to look good because the pitching overall has been so good.

[fritzfreddie]

Yup, about a month now.

[fritzfreddie]

Instead of using any other potential bullpen guys, why not throw Ramirez out there and hope the Angels swing themselves out for the next three games jacking hits off his sorry butt.

[kvwjw]

Instead of using any other potential bullpen guys, why not throw Ramirez out there and hope the Angels swing themselves out for the next three games jacking hits off his sorry butt.

yup you use your worst releivers in lost games

[jason122883]

Thankfully I had softball last night, as I didn't even want to watch. They've been hard to watch lately.

Like I said a couple weeks ago. I just don't see us making the playoffs this year, but am impressed with how well we competed all year, and feel like we are a couple solid bats away from being really good

[tajikey]

Offense fired up tonight. With Paxton and Hernandez set to go tomorrow and Thursday (I'll be there), M's have a great chance of splitting the series. Plus, the Royals lost, so hopefully they hold on tonight.

[tajikey]

11-2! Needed this one REAL BAD.

[tajikey]

Z HBP twice?!?!?!

[Devi8or]

The whoopin is on tonight

[4mightyQuinn]

The whoopin is on tonight

ya lets hope! 7-6 mariners

[Devi8or]

Elias done for the season. Hopefully he doesn't require a long term surgery

Would think Taijuan makes the most sense to slot in. I'm comfortable with that

[NeedChapmans]

Elias done for the season. Hopefully he doesn't require a long term surgery

Would think Taijuan makes the most sense to slot in. I'm comfortable with that

With so little left in the season; McClendon may go with a committee for the two starts Elias was slotted in; with Walker or Wilhelmsen. The problem in giving Walker any more than a few innings is that he simply hasn't thrown more than 3 innings in a while; and the arm strength is probably not where it needs to be in order to go any deeper.

Quick hooks regardless.

[awz50]

Paxton looks sharp tonight.......

[motu79]

I wonder if Lloyd is purposefully trying to lose games when he throws line-ups like this out there! Can we cut Smoak already...

[awz50]

I wonder if Lloyd is purposefully trying to lose games when he throws line-ups like this out there! Can we cut Smoak already...

No we have to make that trade look somewhat good...

[fritzfreddie]

smh.................

[OnTheAir]

This is what happens when Loyd puts in the B team... He knows we are trying to make the post season right?

[NeedChapmans]

Well, no bones about it now. Mariners need to win tonight in LAA, and then take at least 2 in Houston. The good news is that both the A's and Tigers lost, so they sit 2.5 / 2 / 2 back of the three teams they're chasing. With the very high probability of a loss to KC on Monday when they resume the 4-2 Cleveland game in the 10th, that would put Seattle STILL in the drivers seat with a week left to play if they can squeeze out 3/4 now.

But even if Seattle does make it to the post-season, they sure don't look like they deserve it. Outside of a couple of innings yesterday; this offense has disappeared again. Need to find a hot streak heading into the post-season.

[jason122883]

Well, some good news for me at least.

When I came into work today, my buddy ordered me two Felix shirts. The perfect game, and the night court. Was awesome

[mcguirem13]

I'm waiting for someone, anyone, to step up offensively. If we can just muster 3-4 runs a night we have a good chance of making the playoffs.

[Devi8or]

We also get to look forward to a Detroit/KC series as well coming up. Best case scenario is the team leading the division at the time pulls off a sweep